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Well I can't change your opinion or theirs. Just out of curiousity what do you think of Dharmic religions(Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism) or at least the ones that have some presence in Sweden...

That is quite horrible, but I must wonder if this has less to do with immigration and more to do with poor integration. I've heard horror stories about middle eastern immigrants from pretty much every western country except the USA, which has in raw numbers just as many, but I am given to believe that we integrate them better. Our Arabs, for example, have significantly higher mean household incomes and are better educated than than the average for the country (although there may be more interesting factors at work here; our sample of Arabs is for example clearly not representative, actually being majority Christian, oddly enough).

I had anticipated, after I posted this example, that you would say that. But I was enjoying writing that up anyway, so I decided not to think of another example.

Another example would be the hugely positive influence that Italian immigrants have had upon British food (and goodness knows British food needed this). It was not until Italian restaurants were opened up by Italian immigrants that British people were exposed to a great deal of this kind of food. The same thing has happened with Indian restaurants, Chinese restaurants, Turkish restaurants etc.

It wouldn't be possible for this foreign influence to be made upon food without permanent immigrants.



I'm surprised to hear that gangrape didn't exist in Sweden before. I know that these kind of barbaric acts have been perpetrated in Britain way before there were many Eastern immigrants in the country (for example, paedophilia rings have existed for ages).

But I'm sure that such people are the horrible criminals rather than being representative of a typical person from their country. They are the worst of their country, which is why it is easiest to focus on them.



I suppose a mass immigration would alter a country's culture very much, which could be devastating to the native population. I couldn't think of any examples in history of this happening though, but it's very late (early?) in the day now, so my mind is turning pretty fuzzy. Do you have any examples?

I don't mind those religions, but my favorite religion is Shinto even though I believe it's mostly nonsense, I think the idea of spirits in everything and perfect harmony in nature etc is beautiful. It's a peaceful and quiet religion.

I like the visual aspects of Hinduism but I don't know much about that religion. There's a buddhist temple in the same province in Sweden where I live. Built in Thai style and kind of popular. No one thinks it's a problem, but now they are going to build a mosque in my city and this is not popular at all.

actaully, the most likely reason is 9/11. America right now will not tolerate anything the muslim community does, a muslim hits his wife, he gets the max sentence, a muslim rapes a girl, he gets teh max senentece. Its a shock when they learn America isn't gonna bow to its "Don't say my religion is violent or I will kill you." Instead, AMerica responds with a "f**k you muslim, and kiss my ass."

ummm... I'm going to call your facts into question here. You're going to assign blame for something that is part of recorded cultures for centuries upon centuries for a recent immigration shift? *shakes head* Personally, I find your causal relationship to be unstable at best and likely to be in error.


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Do you live in the North of Sweden or the more urban south/central? Anyway I agree with you that the intolerance of abrahamic religion(followed properly) is against natural humanity. I could never adhere to a religion that promotes intolerance and hatred...

North, where it's far in between cities and lots of wilderness. I think they actually have two buddhist temples here. One larger temple complex in my home region, and some minor pavilion in traditional asian style in a neighbouring region. I like the fact that they use the great wilds up here, which are much like Russia, northern Canada or Hokkaido, to build traditional buddhist temples.

When I was really young, almost too young to have any real perception, I used to pretend the 90 000 population city where I live, which has temperate summers but heavy snow and cold in the winters, was a metropolis kind of like Sapporo. I always visualized the city from the intro in the Mega Man games. I even used to have dreamlike flashbacks of a huge 1970's winter city full of grey concrete buildings. I had never seen such a place but I was always fascinated by the idea of exploiting the northern wilderness with impressive architecture as well as the concept of civilization in the middle of nowhere.
The temples are not part of any city but they kind of represent a dream I had ever since I was old enough to think. I'm happy they were built here.

Maybe you should look int Buddhism But Im kind of envious of you, I love wintry forest areas, they just seem so beautiful to me. Seems like a perfect place for a faraway Mandir or Temple too as you said.

it is a well known fact that the Vikings used to gang-rape women in my area (just right across the pond) for centuries. Middle-easterners were not the ones to invent that.

Yeah, the thought crossed my mind. Sometimes I feel it wouldn't be too bad being the only caretaker of a remote little temple/shrine in the mountains, completely cut off from the world during winter. Just keeping it tidy, lighting incense and having tea.

If I win the lottery I think I might actually hire an architect from Asia and build my own little temple, complete with living quarters and in connection to an artificial hot springs winter bath (artifical since there are no volcanic activity here). Alternatively I would buy my own little island somewhere else and have it built there.

Vikings were more into single rape I think. They didn't have this "brotherhood" or "blood brother" mentality but rather a lot of infighting and would kill each other over drinking arguments. They would usually fight each other over a woman and no one touched what someone above in the social hierarchy went for. So I think most vikings solo-raped women. The lowest in hierarchy went for the ugliest etc...

The turks and other middle-easterners have century old tradition of gangrape, targeting females as well as males. Especially gay rape is still quite common in arab countries. Arabs used male rape for millenia to deprive other men of their "honor" or to extract vengeance in a blood feud between clans.

In Pakistan, male rape is also extremely common between different ethnicites and clans. It's not uncommon for 15 men to rape one boy. If a girl is from a lower class and dishonors a higher, group rape is the standard punishment as well.

American and british soldiers who have been captured in muslim countries are usually the target of violent gay rape. This is more a rule than an exception. If you compare to russians and germans during ww2, the rate of male rape was much lower aside from the SS who were a notoriously homosexual group.
The turks usually didn't leave one young boy ass unpenetrated when they ravaged the balkans.

Northwestern Pakistan is such a backwards tribal society that it cant even be put to modern standards unfortunately. Most of them know nothing outside their hometowns. IMO Pakistan as a whole is a culture in-flux, torn between their true identity as converted Sikhs and Hindus, to their current bastard status as wanna-be Arabs. Most Pakis that I know show off that they might have SOME turkish or iranian blood. Its a shame that they aren't even knowledgeable of their shared heritage of SOuth Asia. Their in-between culture is causing their country many many problems.
ANyway almost all cultures have raped is disgusting ways during wartime and peacetime. It wasnt brought over to your country by anybody, it was always there. Maybe its more common now though...

he vants ooonly vite niiice europeans!
russians arent viiite enough, dey just aaarent!

i wonder why we're all here protesting his departure?
"oh no, self-proclaimed hardcore racist, dont leave! we need some share full-out bigotry on here to keep the arguments going!"

this is the same person who talked about spice-smells being a part of arab people's genetics.
they have a spice-smell gene. yeah.

and what the F**K does he/she know about how vikings raped people? WTF!! !! !
THEY RAPED A THOUSAND GODDAMN YEARS AGO!
BIGOTRY!! ! BIGOTRY AND STUPIDITY!! !

ill inform him/her: vikings raped like most rapists rape. w their dick, and against the victim's will. allone or in gangs.