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06 Apr 2022, 8:21 am

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It is the same mindset that denies the legitimacy of a fair and legal election, or the innocence of a man accused of rape without evidence.  Changing the minds of people who believe pleasant little lies is extremely difficult.
Imagine an empire built on it.


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06 Apr 2022, 8:45 am

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It is the same mindset that denies the legitimacy of a fair and legal election, or the innocence of a man accused of rape without evidence.  Changing the minds of people who believe pleasant little lies is extremely difficult.
Imagine an empire built on it.
We almost got one on January 6, 2020.



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06 Apr 2022, 9:25 am

This one is half a millenium old.


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06 Apr 2022, 9:33 am

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This one is half a millenium old.
Another lasted almost that long . . . "Ave Caesar!  Morituri te salutamus!"



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06 Apr 2022, 9:40 am

At least they built good roads <that was completely unserious, I need some unseriousness right now>


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06 Apr 2022, 9:45 am

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At least they built good roads <that was completely unserious, I need some unseriousness right now>

Q: What was the most popular book store in the Roman Empire?

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06 Apr 2022, 6:49 pm

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At least they built good roads <that was completely unserious, I need some unseriousness right now>

'zat the same as sayin' "they made the trains run on time"?



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07 Apr 2022, 12:35 am

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When the truth is finally seen by a majority of Russians - and it will - Putin is toast, and likely so is Russia as it currently exists.
It's not so easy. There's plenty of reports of people from Ukraine phoning their relatives in Russia, sending them pictures and videos and still being met with outright denial.

I don't know how it works but we remember it from both Tsarist and Soviet times. Somehow, it does work like that.


Can the Ukrainian army and government use the captured Russian soldiers as bargaining chips perhaps?



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07 Apr 2022, 1:46 am

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Can the Ukrainian army and government use the captured Russian soldiers as bargaining chips perhaps?
The old tradition of disregard for lives of your own people, including soldiers, is strong in Russia right now.

Historical example: returned captured soldiers in WWII were sent to to death or Gulag for "spying".

They just don't care.


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07 Apr 2022, 1:52 am

If this true then why is Ukraine bothering to keep the Russian soldier prisoners alive then, if they cannot bargain for them? Why even have them call their parents if the parents are trained not to care?



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07 Apr 2022, 2:03 am

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If this true then why is Ukraine bothering to keep the Russian soldier prisoners alive then, if they cannot bargain for them? Why even have them call their parents if the parents are trained not to care?
Sometimes they make exchanges on small scale.
Ukraine is "bothering to keep the Russian soldier prisoners alive" because they care for international support, so they can't afford to be war criminals.


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07 Apr 2022, 2:05 am

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If this true then why is Ukraine bothering to keep the Russian soldier prisoners alive then, if they cannot bargain for them? Why even have them call their parents if the parents are trained not to care?
Sometimes they make exchanges on small scale.
Ukraine is "bothering to keep the Russian soldier prisoners alive" because they can't afford to be war criminals.


But why is their crimes in war? Who decides what counts as a crime in war, when it's war? If another country attacks you, isn't war war and all bets are off in a sense? I mean they could at least threaten to kill them, even if it's a bluff to try to get some kind of negotiating power?



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07 Apr 2022, 2:07 am

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But why is their crimes in war? Who decides what counts as a crime in war, when it's war? If another country attacks you, isn't war war and all bets are off in a sense? I mean they could at least threaten to kill them, even if it's a bluff to try to get some kind of negotiating power?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime

Threatning to kill PoWs would be counter-productive: Moscow does not care for their lives but international powers would stop their support. Nothing to gain, crucial help to lose.


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07 Apr 2022, 2:11 am

Oh okay. But why does the outside world care about Russian soldier prisoners, if they think of them as murdering war criminals anyway? The world wants to help the Ukraine but they still want the Ukraines to inconvience themselves during war, to go out of their way to babysit the murderous POWs.

But also, you say Moscow does not care for their lives, but wouldn't the POWs families and loved ones care, if they were threatened, or are they trained not to care either?



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07 Apr 2022, 2:15 am

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Oh okay. But why does the outside world care about Russian soldier prisoners, if they think of them as murdering war criminals anyway?
For the same reasons criminals should be brought to court and not just killed right after capture.


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07 Apr 2022, 2:16 am

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Oh okay. But why does the outside world care about Russian soldier prisoners, if they think of them as murdering war criminals anyway?
For the same reasons criminals should be brought to court and not just killed right after capture.


Well the Ukraine is facing a war crisis now and doesn't have the capacity to hold every Russian who invades, and that only counts if there is still a court left to try them.