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07 Apr 2022, 2:24 am

Usually, court processes for war crimes start after the war is over or at least stable ceasefire is reached.
Holding a few hudred people in prisons is not really much of a problem for a country of 40 million, even during a war.


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07 Apr 2022, 2:26 am

Oh okay. I guess I just feel that the Ukraine and the rest of the world wants to fight fair and shake hands with the enemy for fair fight, when all Russia wants to is crush Ukrainians testicles and ovaries and fight dirty. So I just wonder why such a wholesome attitude towards a people like that.



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07 Apr 2022, 2:28 am

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Oh okay. I guess I just feel that the Ukraine and the rest of the world wants to fight fair and shake hands with the enemy for fair fight, when all Russia wants to is crush Ukrainians testicles and ovaries and fight dirty. So I just wonder why such a wholesome attitude towards a people like that.
Not to become like them.


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07 Apr 2022, 2:29 am

But then they may suffer more casualties as a result. You can't fight clean all the time. Even in martial arts they teach to fight dirty, if the attacker is fighting dirty, otherwise, if you don't there is a good chance you could be killed as a result.



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07 Apr 2022, 2:36 am

Ukraine couldn't stand a chance against Russia in playing dirty. They're not psychopathic enough.
Playing fair helps you gain and keep allies.
With more allies, you can win even playing fair against dirty.


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07 Apr 2022, 2:38 am

Perhaps I am just being pessimistic on it and feel Russia will likely win.



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07 Apr 2022, 3:50 am

if he wins he won't stop at ukraine.



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07 Apr 2022, 3:53 am

auntblabby wrote:
if he wins he won't stop at ukraine.
Yep.
He or his successor.


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07 Apr 2022, 6:12 am

Rome lasted OVER a millennium….from about 753 BCE to CE 476 (west) and CE 1453 (east).

If the Ukrainians killed the Russian prisoners, they would lose all credibility. Morals and ethics exist even in all-out war—unless one is a total barbarian. Yet even barbarians frequently had morals amid war.

The Ukrainians must take the high road.



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07 Apr 2022, 6:43 am

Rome not always was an empire. It was first Kingdom then Republic. The Empire started with Julius Caesar and it indeed lasted less than 500 years - unless we count Byzantium but I find it reasonable to treat it as a separate entity, descendant of Roman Empire.


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07 Apr 2022, 7:35 am

Right. It was a kingdom from @753 BCE till 509 BC, then a republic from 509 BC till 27 BC.

The Western Empire lasted from 27 BCE to CE 476 (503 years).

The residents of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) referred to themselves as Romans. As far as they were concerned, they resided in the Roman Empire. The Byzantine Empire ended in 1453, with the Fall of Constantinople.



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07 Apr 2022, 9:28 am

Russia's lies may be catching up with it faster than it ever imagined.

The war in Ukraine is defying President Vladimir Putin's expectations at every turn, not only with Russia's failure to capture Kyiv as planned but with the war crimes his soldiers have committed in Bucha, a city close the capital, exposed for the world to see.

Satellite images of murdered civilians that match videos, recorded weeks later, of bodies at the roadside are providing compelling evidence of Russian war crimes, convincing Western leaders to ramp up sanctions on Russia and accelerate weapons supplies for Ukraine.

How this will affect the final outcome of the war is unclear.  But what is evident at a time when Ukraine is urgently seeking any additional leverage as Russian forces regroup for a new offensive, is that Russia's actions in Bucha are strengthening Ukraine's hand.


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07 Apr 2022, 9:32 am

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They did what they have done so many times before, in Syria, in Chechnya, in Georgia: committed awful abuses. And Putin and his officials did what they have done so many time before: lied to cover their crimes.
It stretches way longer into the past, through Stalin and back to the first Tsars.
The Kremlin machine works like that, no matter who makes it to the top of it at a given historical moment.
The only chance for lasting peace with Russia would be to somehow force transparency on them... but I have no idea on how to do it.


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magz wrote:
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They did what they have done so many times before, in Syria, in Chechnya, in Georgia: committed awful abuses. And Putin and his officials did what they have done so many time before: lied to cover their crimes.
It stretches way longer into the past, through Stalin and back to the first Tsars.
It seems you are implying that brutal behavior is endemic to Russian culture.  I think so too.



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07 Apr 2022, 9:37 am

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It seems you are implying that brutal behavior is endemic to Russian culture.  I think so too.
That's the local experience of the last 500 years... of Moscow Empire.
Not to be confused with earlier Russian states and communities. They ran a spectrum from peaceful republics, through various trade-oriented city-states, to regular Medieval duchies. They were okay.
Many got massacred when Moscow decided to "unite" "Great Russia".


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07 Apr 2022, 10:22 am

That's what "Moscow" is seeking to do now: unite "Great Russia.'

Ironically, this would have been an anti-Bolshevik position back in 1918. It was one of the positions of the "Whites."