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Is being gay normal or wrong?
It's perfectly normal, of course! 31%  31%  [ 193 ]
It's perfectly normal, of course! 31%  31%  [ 194 ]
It's wrong and people should be punished for such sodomy! 5%  5%  [ 34 ]
It's wrong and people should be punished for such sodomy! 5%  5%  [ 34 ]
It's really none of my business. 14%  14%  [ 85 ]
It's really none of my business. 14%  14%  [ 85 ]
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16 Nov 2006, 4:25 pm

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That being said, I'll still never understand homosexual sex. I understand gays marrying, and I can understand needing a physical component to support Platonic love, but I see sex as a means to an end: the process by which life is preserved and continued. Why do it if it won't produce a child? And if your sex drive is really that strong, why can't you "relieve" yourself? It just doesn't make sense to me. But hey, I'm just some teenager.

This is not an issue of homosexual sex. The basic question you're asking is, "Why have sex if you're not trying to procreate?" Then you are also asking why heterosexuals have sex with birth control. The short answer is: It feels good, on an emotional and/or physical level. :!:

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Oh, and just because I can, Bible isn't an abbreviation. It might seem cute to treat it as such, but it's just not; rather, it is the English form of the Greek Biblios, meaning "book". The translators thought so highly of the thing, they gave it a name like THAT.

This goes without saying that the word "Bible" is not an abbreviation. It's just something cute that somebody made up. No need to try to explain it.



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16 Nov 2006, 7:49 pm

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Being GAY is WRONG WRONG WRONG, i am a christian with aspergers and have read the bible many a time and is considred an abomination.


That's quite the run-on you've got there. Lemme see if I can break it down.

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Being GAY is WRONG WRONG WRONG. I am a christian with aspergers, and have read the bible many a time, and is considred an abomination.


So you've read the Bible many times, eh? Cool. Now that we've established that, let's cut that clause out.

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I am a christian with aspergers, and is considred an abomination.


Woah, there's no need to be so hard on yourself! I mean, you're homophobic but you're still a human being.



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16 Nov 2006, 8:54 pm

If some want to garden uphill, why should it be any of my business? As long as both parties consent to hiding the sausage then I really don't care. :)



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17 Nov 2006, 11:58 pm

My own life is very happily tied with that of another man, and I am warmed that my countrymen have come to be as supportive of this as they have over these past few years. I hope to ever see this nation grow in its pluralism and beneficence, and I would be honored to have a chance to play a role in making a place in this society for all Americans who prove themselves to be of condign spirit.



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My own life is very happily tied with that of another man, and I am warmed that my countrymen have come to be as supportive of this as they have over these past few years. I hope to ever see this nation grow in its pluralism and beneficence, and I would be honored to have a chance to play a role in making a place in this society for all Americans who prove themselves to be of condign spirit.


Here is another proof that gay men arent sex-obsessed as many claimed. Homosexuality is always set in a bad light and it suprises me how "old fashioned" and pre-judging society is. Gay men were blamed for spreading HIV which is pure nonsense.
Its good to hear that you arent met with prejudice and disgust as many homosexuals are. Hopefully, in the future, homosexuals can be allowed to kiss in public without being frowned upon. Where I live, homosexuality is viewed as "perverse" or "daemonic".
Almost every christian I know view homosexuality as a sin. I am christian myself, but consider every human equal no matter sexual orientation, race or whatever else.

My post is probably very confusing, but I wanted to add my two cents. And I hope that I am not misunderstood.
I believe every man is equal of value.



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02 Dec 2006, 1:23 pm

A gay person is no worse than a straight person. I am straight, but I am tolerant. I have gay, lesbian, and Bi friends (lotsa diversity throughout my little group), and I blieve that gay people should be given full rights. Homosexual mairrage should be allowed, and homosexuals and bisexuals should have no restrictions placed on them that aren't placed on everybody else.

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02 Dec 2006, 3:34 pm

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yep. there are all kinds of rules in the bible that are now considered old fashioned/wrong/stupid.


They were Jewish laws, though. I don't think every non Jew who reads the Bible has to follow them. I'm sure there are lots of theologians round here who can explain why some rules lasted as important while others didn't.


The New Testament tells people to follow all the laws of the Old Testament. Examples:

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:18-19)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)

I hear Christians all the time say that all sins are equal in the eyes of God. So a Christian shouldn't condemn homosexuality or even homosexual acts unless they follow every single law in both the Old and New Testaments. If they do, I think they need to be reminded that "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone."


Which Christians believe you should follow Jewish rules like Kosher? Cause I've not met any like that.


Actually, in the bible, there is a reference to a load of then-unclean ((I don't know the opposite of kosher.) animals coming down and someone saying about eating them and someone else saying they're unclean then someone saying that what 'God' has cleaned should not be called unclean.


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02 Dec 2006, 11:57 pm

Well, I live in Southeast NC, which actually is one of the hippest parts of the country if you want to know the truth. In any case, I think that irresponsible parents are responsible for the spread of HIV, particularly those who completely abandon their kids once having found them to be one of those "homosexuals." The real problem with a lot of gay men is tied with the fact that the result of familial abandonment is relational satisfaction being difficult to come by and short-lived when found. This is also the result of refusing to accept their own sexual orientation: gay men who truly hate their sexual orientation end up pursuing outlets that make sex as cold and impersonal as possible, which really can lead to one having more partners in a year than days. At the greatest extreme, they don't even want to see the face of whoever it is they're having sex with. In trying to push their sexual orientation away, they actually end up in a horrible, self-destructive cycle that might have been avoided if their families had just accepted them for who they were.



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03 Dec 2006, 5:41 am

@Griff: very right!

I believe this "cold" behaviour seen in many gay men is a result of a lack of acceptance from society.

In Norway, homosexuals arent allowed to adopt. I think its not a good idea at this point, because society has to mature first.
With the current views on homosexuality, a child raised by two gay men will face a lot of bullying in school.
DOn't get me wrong, I'm 100% for gay adoption, but society has to mature.
We have to get rid of homophobia, just like we got rid of(at least almost) racism.
Both are a hate-crime and should not be tolerated.
Therefore, I fail to see how the gay-hating can go on while racism isnt tolerated. It is exactly the same and neither should be tolerated!



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03 Dec 2006, 8:47 am

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@Griff: very right!

I believe this "cold" behaviour seen in many gay men is a result of a lack of acceptance from society.

In Norway, homosexuals arent allowed to adopt. I think its not a good idea at this point, because society has to mature first.
With the current views on homosexuality, a child raised by two gay men will face a lot of bullying in school.
DOn't get me wrong, I'm 100% for gay adoption, but society has to mature.
We have to get rid of homophobia, just like we got rid of(at least almost) racism.
Both are a hate-crime and should not be tolerated.
Therefore, I fail to see how the gay-hating can go on while racism isnt tolerated. It is exactly the same and neither should be tolerated!


Actually, racism is tolerated so long as you're being racist towards the majority.


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03 Dec 2006, 9:31 am

Gargh, not quite the way I wanted to reply. /post slain indefinitely



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04 Dec 2006, 8:13 pm

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Where I live, homosexuality is viewed as "perverse" or "daemonic".

Wait, what?! But isn't gay marriage legal in Norway? I think it was only a few decades or so that it was legalized there, but the general belief there is that homosexuality is abnormal? Then again, racial discrimination is supposed to be illegal and yet Norway's got some funky problems integrating its ethnic minorities into society. Also I wonder if different regions have different viewpoints of the issue, I would think more cosmopolitan areas like Oslo would be more tolerant of stuff like homosexuality. Jeg gikk til Troms og Finnmark for åtte måneder siden, og der borte var mennesker (closed-minded). [Sorry if the Norwegian is incorrect, I don't get to practice it too often, og jeg har glemt så mye...]

Wow, that would explain a lot about my Aspie ex-friend from Norway. I could swear he was in the closet. He said he wanted to marry a woman and have a son, just so that he could look normal. Wow.


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04 Dec 2006, 10:44 pm

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Wait, what?! But isn't gay marriage legal in Norway?
I don't think so. I think it's more along the lines of civil unions. Also, I think that judging Norway by Oslo is a bit like judging America by San Francisco.



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04 Dec 2006, 10:52 pm

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Wait, what?! But isn't gay marriage legal in Norway?
I don't think so. I think it's more along the lines of civil unions. Also, I think that judging Norway by Oslo is a bit like judging America by San Francisco.
Just checked my Norwegian stuff, yeah you're right, it's more like civil unions and not a church wedding. As for the remark about Oslo though, I wasn't judging Norway based on what one city is like. Just saying that one city would probably be different from more remote parts of the country (like where I went to), just as SF is different from other parts of the US.


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05 Dec 2006, 12:17 am

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As for the remark about Oslo though, I wasn't judging Norway based on what one city is like. Just saying that one city would probably be different from more remote parts of the country (like where I went to), just as SF is different from other parts of the US.
Pardon me. I was eager to jump in with my own input, and I didn't take time to read this portion of your post.



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Wait, what?! But isn't gay marriage legal in Norway? I think it was only a few decades or so that it was legalized there, but the general belief there is that homosexuality is abnormal? Then again, racial discrimination is supposed to be illegal and yet Norway's got some funky problems integrating its ethnic minorities into society. Also I wonder if different regions have different viewpoints of the issue, I would think more cosmopolitan areas like Oslo would be more tolerant of stuff like homosexuality. Jeg gikk til Troms og Finnmark for åtte måneder siden, og der borte var mennesker (closed-minded). [Sorry if the Norwegian is incorrect, I don't get to practice it too often, og jeg har glemt så mye...]

Wow, that would explain a lot about my Aspie ex-friend from Norway. I could swear he was in the closet. He said he wanted to marry a woman and have a son, just so that he could look normal. Wow.


I'm not sure of the legal status of gay marriage. But what I meant with my post is that Norwegian society as a whole has a very hateful outlook on homosexuality regardless of whats presented in media. No matter how much tolerance we claim to have, you will never see male gay couples express their love (hugging, kissing) in public. Its different for lesbians. Its regarded as "cool" and "liberated" when girls kiss(regardless of sexual orientation).

I know a gay person, and he is a wonderfull human being. Sadly, people never seem to mature from the prejudice...