If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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My issue here is two wrongs do not make a right.

The woman being raped is a heinous act, and the rapist should be punished for it.

The problem with abortion is that it involves killing an innocent child. I feel bad for the woman, but I'm looking at it from the standpoint of two bad options.


Option 1: The woman carrying the child for 9 months and giving birth to said child, that she didn't want.

Option 2: An innocent child being murdered before they can ever even take their first steps, before they see a sunrise for the first time, they never get to laugh, etc.

I'm not looking at a woman as being nothing more than a walking incubator, I'm seeing this as a situation where there are two choices that are bad, and have to go with the lesser of the two evils. I feel really bad for the woman, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the child's right to live.

Maybe someday someone will invent an artificial womb and the child can be transferred to that womb rather that the woman being stuck with a kid growing inside her, whose father raped her. Until something like that comes along though, I still I'm going to take that abortion shouldn't be allowed.

A crime was committed, that said in my view killing the child (whom did nothing wrong) is also a crime. I don't blame the woman for feeling awful, and believe that the people that discriminate against her have no business doing so and need to be hit upside the head with a raw salmon. However, we shouldn't deprive another human being of their right to life for the crimes of their father (or mother).

The problem with abortion is that it involves killing an innocent child. I feel bad for the woman, but I'm looking at it from the standpoint of two bad options.


Option 1: The woman carrying the child for 9 months and giving birth to said child, that she didn't want.

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There are no children in the womb, only embryos, zygotes and fetuses.

In addition to which the fetus is a threat to the woman's life. Childbirth has a degree of morbidity associated with it. In modern countries, the risk associated with childbirth is minimized but it is not zero.

Now first trimester abortions are ten times safer than going to term. So a women with a fetus implanted within her against her will is perfectly justified to have it removed. The sooner the better.

ruveyn

Hence why banning abortion is no way to solve the unwanted pregnancy issue.

There are no children in the womb, only embryos, zygotes and fetuses.

In addition to which the fetus is a threat to the woman's life. Childbirth has a degree of morbidity associated with it. In modern countries, the risk associated with childbirth is minimized but it is not zero.

Now first trimester abortions are ten times safer than going to term. So a women with a fetus implanted within her against her will is perfectly justified to have it removed. The sooner the better.

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Uh, it was only the sperm that was implanted against her will, last I heard the eggs are in the ovaries when a girl is first born.

The child (despite claims to the contrary by definition embryos and fetuses are children of their parents regardless of the stage of development), wasn't forcibly shoved into the woman, the child is the result of what happened.

I have made it abundently clear that my definition of when life begins is when brain activity is first detectable which is 48 days after conception, I've repeatedly said I view the brain's first activity as where life begins, and the point where we are no longer talking about a simple growth of cells. I'm not going to play games as far as "functional ability" all I care about is the fact we're detecting brain function at all. As we all know, the child's brain is going to grow at an astronomical rate, and brain activity will increase in complexity as the child grows inside the womb (unlike braindead individuals or a stroke victim we're looking at a rapid increase of functional ability not how much functional ability has decreased).

Good for YOU. You don't have to have an abortion if you don't want to.
Thank goodness for those of us in the reality-based community that Inuyasha has not yet been declared a god.

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LKL, I've never claimed to be divinity, like you whom are running around claiming that women are somehow superior to men. Got news for you, you are not superior to me, we are both human beings, the child is a human being as well, your rights do not include trampling on the child's right to live.

Your definitions and your opinion are not congruent with reality.

Child = young human person. There are no children in the womb. Primitive brain activity is not sufficient for being a person. One needs a functioning prefrontal cortex.

Did you know that a human at birth has only one quarter the brain mass it will have when fully developed. A new born human has less intelligence than a well developed chimpanzee or bonobo. It is unlikely that a new born human is even a person. However humans add brain mass rather quickly after they are born.

Our personhood is a consequence of brain activity. The real you and the real me is our prefrontal cortex which is where the "soul" is functionally speaking. Our "souls" and "minds" are what our brains do.

ruveyn

There was a court case about this recently I think because RU-486 is illegal here.

Last edited by Knifey on 05 Sep 2011, 9:38 am, edited 1 time in total.

It seems that the underlying problem here is that Inuyasha has issues with women.

Yep. Look at his language. He refers to abortion as trampling on a child's rights. Protecting your body and your health is trampling on someone's rights, according to him. Newflash 'yasha...Nobody has the right to someone else's body. No one. Not you, not I, not the noblest person in the world, and certainly not a fetus.

That depends on whether the fetus is a dangerous intruder or an invited guest.

If a woman (with her mate) set out to have a child, she will probably do all that is reasonable to bring the child to term, barring any medical condition that would make going to term highly risky for her. And even them, she might want to take the risk. In any case, the choice is -hers-. Not the States, not Society, not God and not the Devil.

ruveyn

You forgot to mention Inuyasha.

I did say God, did I not.

ruveyhn

It seems to go deeper than that. Inuyasha seems to believe that a woman's primary function in life is to gestate a man's fetus, whether she wants to or not. She may have some secondary functions (nursing the baby, taking care of the baby, cooking, cleaning, mowing the lawn, shoveling snow, etc.). But, her primary role is to serve as a gestation chamber.

One of Inuyasha's heroes is Rush Limbaugh, who also has some serious issues with women.