If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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05 Sep 2011, 10:33 am

And, on top of that, Inuyasha believes with all his heart that the government must require a woman who has been raped to gestate the fetus, give birth to the child, and raise the child, with absolutely no help from the government.

If Inuyasha gets raped, its no big deal. So, he'll have a few scrapes and bruises. His butt hole might ache for a week or so. He might get AIDS or some other disease.

Inuyasha: if a woman gets raped, it is a much bigger deal than that. But, what is a woman to him? Just a gestation box.



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05 Sep 2011, 12:46 pm

pandabear wrote:
And, on top of that, Inuyasha believes with all his heart that the government must require a woman who has been raped to gestate the fetus, give birth to the child, and raise the child, with absolutely no help from the government.

If Inuyasha gets raped, its no big deal. So, he'll have a few scrapes and bruises. His butt hole might ache for a week or so. He might get AIDS or some other disease.

Inuyasha: if a woman gets raped, it is a much bigger deal than that. But, what is a woman to him? Just a gestation box.


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I don't have a problem with women in general, I have problems with feminist fanatics that seem to hate all men.

I view the child in the womb to be another human being whom was put in a situation that is quite frankly no fault of their own.

We're not talking about sperm cells here, we're talking about an individual whom has brain activity, and that brain activity is increasing. His/her DNA while having elements of both the father and the mother is put together in an entirely new and unique combination.

I'm not viewing the woman as nothing more than an incubator here, I'm looking at the intended results of abortion which is to kill another human being, treating said human being as nothing more than a parasite.

The fact the woman is a victim of a crime, does not mean she should have the excuse of murdering another innocent person.



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05 Sep 2011, 1:22 pm

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I don't have a problem with women in general, I have problems with feminist fanatics that seem to hate all men.


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Yes, we all know that your term for such women is "Feminazi." You, like your hero Rush Hudson Limbaugh III, tend to generalize women as "feminist fanatics that hate all men", and you project your internal conflicts with women onto the female population in general. So, you've never experienced intimate relations with a woman. Too bad.

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I'm not viewing the woman as nothing more than an incubator here, I'm looking at the intended results of abortion which is to kill another human being, treating said human being as nothing more than a parasite.

The fact the woman is a victim of a crime, does not mean she should have the excuse of murdering another innocent person.


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You are looking at a woman who was raped as someone who has no rights, and who is less than nothing.

The government must force the woman to care for the rapist's fetus and child. The government must provide no support whatsoever for the woman or the rapist's fetus or child. If she dies in a gutter, so much the better.



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05 Sep 2011, 1:34 pm

pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
:roll:

I don't have a problem with women in general, I have problems with feminist fanatics that seem to hate all men.


:roll:

Yes, we all know that your term for such women is "Feminazi." You, like your hero Rush Hudson Limbaugh III, tend to generalize women as "feminist fanatics that hate all men", and you project your internal conflicts with women onto the female population in general. So, you've never experienced intimate relations with a woman. Too bad.

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I'm not viewing the woman as nothing more than an incubator here, I'm looking at the intended results of abortion which is to kill another human being, treating said human being as nothing more than a parasite.

The fact the woman is a victim of a crime, does not mean she should have the excuse of murdering another innocent person.


:roll:

You are looking at a woman who was raped as someone who has no rights, and who is less than nothing.

The government must force the woman to care for the rapist's fetus and child. The government must provide no support whatsoever for the woman or the rapist's fetus or child. If she dies in a gutter, so much the better.


How about you learn to read.

I did not say that the woman has no rights. I said that you are deliberately ignoring the inconvienent fact, like other pro-abortion people, that THE CHILD ALSO HAS RIGHTS!

We are balancing a woman's right to what goes on in her body, with the rights of a child's right to simply exist. Killing the kid is permanent, a child only will stay in a woman's womb for about 9 months and is thus temporary.

On that basis, the child's right to live trumps the woman's rights when it comes to her body.

I think both situations are bad, but the idea of killing the child is far worse than the woman being stuck with the kid in her womb for 9 months.

Rape is a heinous crime, but that does not mean we should then turn around and condone the heinous crime of infanticide.



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05 Sep 2011, 1:40 pm

[quote="Inuyasha"

I did not say that the woman has no rights. I said that you are deliberately ignoring the inconvienent fact, like other pro-abortion people, that THE CHILD ALSO HAS RIGHTS!

[/quote]

In order to have rights, you must first be born.

Nothing in the womb has rights. Nothing. It just occupies space and is undergoing some biological changes.

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05 Sep 2011, 1:49 pm

ruveyn wrote:
[quote="Inuyasha"

I did not say that the woman has no rights. I said that you are deliberately ignoring the inconvienent fact, like other pro-abortion people, that THE CHILD ALSO HAS RIGHTS!



In order to have rights, you must first be born.

Nothing in the womb has rights. Nothing. It just occupies space and is undergoing some biological changes.

ruveyn[/quote]

So if the baby has only a foot still inside the womb it is okay to kill them in your view?



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05 Sep 2011, 2:08 pm

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does not mean she should have the excuse of murdering another innocent person.

ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam.



The rest, I think is time to stop feeding the troll.



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05 Sep 2011, 2:16 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
I did not say that the woman has no rights. I said that you are deliberately ignoring the inconvienent fact, like other pro-abortion people, that THE CHILD ALSO HAS RIGHTS!

We are balancing a woman's right to what goes on in her body, with the rights of a child's right to simply exist. Killing the kid is permanent, a child only will stay in a woman's womb for about 9 months and is thus temporary.

On that basis, the child's right to live trumps the woman's rights when it comes to her body.

I think both situations are bad, but the idea of killing the child is far worse than the woman being stuck with the kid in her womb for 9 months.

Rape is a heinous crime, but that does not mean we should then turn around and condone the heinous crime of infanticide.


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You're just another bloody misogynist.

Go out and get yourself a girlfriend already.



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05 Sep 2011, 2:50 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
does not mean she should have the excuse of murdering another innocent person.

ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam.



The rest, I think is time to stop feeding the troll.


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Here's where the difference boils down to

You and the pro-abortionist crowd believe the child is not a person and therefore has no rights.

I believe the child is a person and therefore has rights.

All you and your friends comments claiming I'm somehow anti-woman is incorrect and due to the fact you all are either too stupid to understand that someone can be pro-life and not hate women or are so dishonest that you are simply trying to smear me cause you really can't stand the fact I'm not going to shut up and sit down while you advocate what I consider to be mass-murder.

You want to call me a troll fine, I'm going to wear that as a badge of honor, the fact you and other liberals here can't stand me or hate my guts doesn't bother me one bit. I really don't care whether or not people like me, as long as I stand up for what is right.



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05 Sep 2011, 3:06 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
does not mean she should have the excuse of murdering another innocent person.

ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam.



The rest, I think is time to stop feeding the troll.


:roll:


Here's where the difference boils down to

You and the pro-abortionist crowd believe the child is not a person and therefore has no rights.

I believe the child is a person and therefore has rights.

All you and your friends comments claiming I'm somehow anti-woman is incorrect and due to the fact you all are either too stupid to understand that someone can be pro-life and not hate women or are so dishonest that you are simply trying to smear me cause you really can't stand the fact I'm not going to shut up and sit down while you advocate what I consider to be mass-murder.

You want to call me a troll fine, I'm going to wear that as a badge of honor, the fact you and other liberals here can't stand me or hate my guts doesn't bother me one bit. I really don't care whether or not people like me, as long as I stand up for what is right.


I believe that a child has rights. A 13 year old girl with an unwanted pregnancy has the right to proper and safe medical treatment. I believe that sending this young girl to a butcher with a coat hanger is unethical. (And no - making abortion illegal would not prevent the abortion from taking place)



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05 Sep 2011, 3:13 pm

number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
does not mean she should have the excuse of murdering another innocent person.

ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam .. ad nauseam.



The rest, I think is time to stop feeding the troll.


:roll:


Here's where the difference boils down to

You and the pro-abortionist crowd believe the child is not a person and therefore has no rights.

I believe the child is a person and therefore has rights.

All you and your friends comments claiming I'm somehow anti-woman is incorrect and due to the fact you all are either too stupid to understand that someone can be pro-life and not hate women or are so dishonest that you are simply trying to smear me cause you really can't stand the fact I'm not going to shut up and sit down while you advocate what I consider to be mass-murder.

You want to call me a troll fine, I'm going to wear that as a badge of honor, the fact you and other liberals here can't stand me or hate my guts doesn't bother me one bit. I really don't care whether or not people like me, as long as I stand up for what is right.


I believe that a child has rights. A 13 year old girl with an unwanted pregnancy has the right to proper and safe medical treatment. I believe that sending this young girl to a butcher with a coat hanger is unethical. (And no - making abortion illegal would not prevent the abortion from taking place)


My response would actually be unless the father of the kid (in the womb) was about the same age or younger, I would be supporting the execution of the guy. A 13 year old girl's situation would fall under serious health threat to mother due to the fact she is still a child herself. In a situation like that, the real question should be, why aren't these clinics notifying the police about statutory rape (assuming the person whom got her pregnent was an adult and not a 11-13 year old boy).



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05 Sep 2011, 4:27 pm

pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I did not say that the woman has no rights. I said that you are deliberately ignoring the inconvienent fact, like other pro-abortion people, that THE CHILD ALSO HAS RIGHTS!

We are balancing a woman's right to what goes on in her body, with the rights of a child's right to simply exist. Killing the kid is permanent, a child only will stay in a woman's womb for about 9 months and is thus temporary.

On that basis, the child's right to live trumps the woman's rights when it comes to her body.

I think both situations are bad, but the idea of killing the child is far worse than the woman being stuck with the kid in her womb for 9 months.

Rape is a heinous crime, but that does not mean we should then turn around and condone the heinous crime of infanticide.


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You're just another bloody misogynist.

Go out and get yourself a girlfriend already.


As a female of the human species, I can assure you that, with an attitude like his, Inuyasha would be no catch. It's not surprising he hasn't gotten laid. Any potential "gestational box" for his fertilized seed would run for the hills after about 2 minutes of listening to his diatribe on "murder" this and "feminazi" that...



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05 Sep 2011, 4:29 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
I believe that a child has rights. A 13 year old girl with an unwanted pregnancy has the right to proper and safe medical treatment. I believe that sending this young girl to a butcher with a coat hanger is unethical. (And no - making abortion illegal would not prevent the abortion from taking place)


My response would actually be unless the father of the kid (in the womb) was about the same age or younger, I would be supporting the execution of the guy. A 13 year old girl's situation would fall under serious health threat to mother due to the fact she is still a child herself. In a situation like that, the real question should be, why aren't these clinics notifying the police about statutory rape (assuming the person whom got her pregnent was an adult and not a 11-13 year old boy).


Yeah, but you still think that the 13 year old girl should have to suffer through a pregnancy even though you acknowledge that it could pose a serious health threat to her.

Admit it - in your view, a ZEF has more value than a WOMAN.



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05 Sep 2011, 4:30 pm

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pandabear wrote:
And, on top of that, Inuyasha believes with all his heart that the government must require a woman who has been raped to gestate the fetus, give birth to the child, and raise the child, with absolutely no help from the government.

If Inuyasha gets raped, its no big deal. So, he'll have a few scrapes and bruises. His butt hole might ache for a week or so. He might get AIDS or some other disease.

Inuyasha: if a woman gets raped, it is a much bigger deal than that. But, what is a woman to him? Just a gestation box.


:roll:

I don't have a problem with women in general, I have problems with feminist fanatics that seem to hate all men.

I view the child in the womb to be another human being whom was put in a situation that is quite frankly no fault of their own.

We're not talking about sperm cells here, we're talking about an individual whom has brain activity, and that brain activity is increasing. His/her DNA while having elements of both the father and the mother is put together in an entirely new and unique combination.

I'm not viewing the woman as nothing more than an incubator here, I'm looking at the intended results of abortion which is to kill another human being, treating said human being as nothing more than a parasite.

The fact the woman is a victim of a crime, does not mean she should have the excuse of murdering another innocent person.


Sometimes, you do have a right to, in your words, "kill" someone.

Let's say you were forcibly taken and anesthetized and someone else's body attached to your bloodstream so they can rely on your kidneys to filter their blood.

You panic, decide you don't wish to act as a support system, cut off the ducts and leave.

Murder?

I do not class that as murder.

No one is obliged to donate their body. It doesn't matter how 'innocent' the recipient is. Bodily donation is not a duty we have towards other humans.


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05 Sep 2011, 4:32 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
I believe that a child has rights. A 13 year old girl with an unwanted pregnancy has the right to proper and safe medical treatment. I believe that sending this young girl to a butcher with a coat hanger is unethical. (And no - making abortion illegal would not prevent the abortion from taking place)


My response would actually be unless the father of the kid (in the womb) was about the same age or younger, I would be supporting the execution of the guy. A 13 year old girl's situation would fall under serious health threat to mother due to the fact she is still a child herself. In a situation like that, the real question should be, why aren't these clinics notifying the police about statutory rape (assuming the person whom got her pregnent was an adult and not a 11-13 year old boy).


It's irrelevant how the child became pregnant (can't legally consent at 13, or 14, 15, etc. - depending on the state). Whether she was raped by a 40 year old man or willfully had sex with her young boyfriend, she's still stuck with an unwanted pregnancy that in most cases would end with an abortion (legal or not). Your "real question" has nothing to do with her predicament.

So would you approve the abortion being done in a safe and sanitary location by a professional doctor, or are your ideals so important to you that you would take that option away from her and send her to a butcher?



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05 Sep 2011, 5:31 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
My response would actually be unless the father of the kid (in the womb) was about the same age or younger, I would be supporting the execution of the guy. A 13 year old girl's situation would fall under serious health threat to mother due to the fact she is still a child herself. In a situation like that, the real question should be, why aren't these clinics notifying the police about statutory rape (assuming the person whom got her pregnent was an adult and not a 11-13 year old boy).


Because: "Please don't tell anyone, my father will kill me if he knows," is too often not hyperbole.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/fath ... empt-87699
http://www.wlbt.com/story/14046497/murd ... s-daughter
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2007/ ... 16870.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330929,00.html
http://www.mynews4.com/mostpopular/stor ... LDY_A.cspx