Do you believe in God?

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To give you an idea:



A non-caused universe or multiverse requires (Omega<1 Saddle (for a multiverse), Omega >1 (for cyclical model)

A first cause universe satisfying the cosmological argument for God is Omega=1, a deliberately caused, non contracting universe that was created 13.82 billion years ago.

And BICEP2/Planck Satellite has just confirmed it to be one.

I appreciate your efforts, Deltaville. However, some pepole just want to cling to any reason not to believe in God.

It's a matter of the heart. If God is real, then so is sin and judgement. And repentance of sin is just as detestable to a non spiritual man as the thought of judgement of sin. People love pleasure and hate God. Anything that comes between their perceived pleasure is automatically ruled out as an enemy and in their mind, not worth considering. It's foolish, but sadly common.

So convince yourself there is no God, you no longer have to worry about either. That is the popular thing to do these days. Hey why not call God evil, because He totally has to match what or opinion of morality is right? (Excuse my thick sarcasm) It takes much less for most people to convince themselves there is no God. I say convince, but I mean decieve.

That's why you see pepole throwing out all these weak arguments, ignoring real science and evidence, avoiding questions, not posting actual references to what they spend half the thread ranting and raving against.

With that said; potassium argon is no more reliable than any of the other dating methods most evolutionary geologists use. Not only do they have to use it in conjuction with the other methods, but they also have to assume quite a bit. They also have to overlook a whole lot of inconsistencies between other scientists results with the same method, but also with what they already assume how old the rock's region is. And that is also based on multiple premature assumptions in and of itself.

I don't know where all of a sudden these guys are coming up with potassium argon dating as some new profound "holy grail" of rock dating all of a sudden. And I don't see how that would disprove the existence of God. They are two separate things. It's been known for years by creationists anyway. All you need is a simple Internet search to find this article even:

http://creation.mobi/how-potassium-argon-dating-works

Nothing new here folks.

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 1:9 NIV

This only have I found: God created mankind upright, but they have gone in search of many schemes.”
Ecclesiastes 7:29 NIV

AspieOtaku has settled for a Youtube video to convince him there's no God. I guess whatever floats his proverbial boat. But poorly built boats will sink into the depths below.

I'll see you around mang!

I'm not smart in the areas discussed here lately.

Here's an


I'm going subatomic now.

I know it's kinda "Strange"


http://moviebob.blogspot.com/2015/07/di ... n.html?m=1

My original early "Dr" comics (not "The")
vanished in the 80's.

Sorry I had to digress.

Like a poorly build boat like the Ark? It has been demonstrated such a large boat made of wood would be unable to stay afloat for long, if you have not watched the Bill Nye vs Ken Ham debate he has demonstrated that a large ship made of wood built by inexperienced ship builders would sink, heck even by experienced ones, a prime example was the USS Wyoming. These stories hold no water from the magical book and many of them have been debunked. Creation science is not real science, yet 48% of the population of the United states still believes that the Earth is less than 10000 years old, that there were talking snakes and people were made out of dirt and that evolution is nonsense regardless of fossilized evidence as well as transitional fossils being found followed by genetic data, the failed idea that scientists use carbon dating on rocks, LMFAO when the actually use potassium argon dating which is extremely accurate. Are you part of the 48%? Quoting the bible is not going to get you anywhere as for your creation science link i have a more accurate one that counters creation pseudoscience. http://www.oldearth.org/blind.htm enjoy There is no clinging my friend, the only clinging I had was when I was religious until i got more involved with Geology, Biology and Anthropology, it made it harder to believe the bible let alone a god. The simple truth is that it is highly unlikely and extremely difficult to believe when there is countless evidence backing science and how the world works and a large lack of evidence backing a diety even harder finding out many stories of the book being debunked. The god of the gaps is shrinking while science is making great strides.Here is the geologic time scale of the Earth, it does not match up with the bible in any way shape or form, not to mention a planet only taking 6 days to create or there being light before stars being formed.

Why dont I believe? Its simple as a former believer, but science seems to make more sense.

I am compelled to continue to dispel this myth. I will repeat... the concept of God and the project of science are not diametrically opposed. I will refer you to the bulk of this thread for more elaboration on that point. What you just posted implies that you would have us choose between believing in science or God. Well that is very clearly a false alternative. A mature conception of God is perfectly compatible with science. You defined God as the god of the gaps... and then mocked it. This is a fairly transparent paper tiger you constructed there.

This is trash.

You have just proven this graph to be correct by ignoring contradicting evidence. If creationism is scientifically valid, then why is it necessary to emphasize that the sectarian religious dogma of the Book of Genesis is the ultimate scientific authority?How do you explain the astronomical evidence that the universe is billions of years old, without resorting to the preposterous assumption that the speed of light was millions of times faster in the past than it is now?

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What sort of "God"'is this God who created the Omega-1 universe 13 or so billion years ago?

Is He/She/It cognizant of possessing this sort of power?

Not really, its obvious man kind has made myths depicting gods and such to explain what could not be explained, once discoveries have been made those gaps get smaller and the myths get debunked.http://biologos.org/common-questions/go ... f-the-gaps It is better to know than believe, knowledge is faiths worst enemy.

Are days the same length in different planets?

I wonder how long it is to God.

A humor tale, tells it this way

A man was on the PPR thread on WP . While he was reading he asked God, "How long is 10 million years to you?"

God replied, "1 second."

The next day the man was on a Counting Thread and asked God, "God, how much is 10 million dollars to you?"

And God replied, "A penny."

Then finally the next day the man was on a spam WP thread and asked God, "God, can I have one of your pennies?"

And God replied, "Just wait a sec."

The man said....

I wonder why AspieOtaku is ignoring all my posts completely. I assumed he is a "god slayer" and asked for us to throw everything we got at him. Yet when confronted with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, he conveniantly ignores what I said, changes gears to a different topic, and posts several more times with the same ideas, to push my posts back a page.

That is not overwhelming evidence, just data cherrypicked with beliefs, if it was all true it would be all published on all the front pages of Scientific magazines and broadcasted on national television! It would make the news, its just as weak as the multiple claims of Noah's Ark being found on all sites being mere hoaxes.

Since I assume that you read "science" magazines, you may have missed a great deal.

http://discovermagazine.com/2008/dec/10 ... nt-creator

And this article was published before we discovered that the topology of our universe is hopelessly incompatible with the multiverse model. To be frank, I am not even sure that you comprehended anything that I have posted a moment ago.

Cherry picking? Now that is what I call the pot calling the kettle black!

Yet the acadamy of science does not accept god nor is there god in the museum of natural history. No black kettle here my friend just pointing out the obvious that a diety will never be accepted the evidence is still lacking but how can you blame people for no longer believing in an out dated book that contradicts itself. Those that try to keep believing push oh so hard like in your case. We are homosapiens a hominid that shares a common ancestor with pan troglodytes the bible states otherwise but lacks realistic evidence.Talking snakes and talking burning bushes is beyond reality.

You are utterly ignoring the airtight evidence that I have presented to you on the three posts near the top of the page. You are shifting attention from the evidence that I have presented to you, merely because it is incongruent with your convictions. Do not BS me, I am a theoretical physicist.