If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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06 Sep 2011, 11:37 am

The conservative solution is to have the rape victim marry the rapist, then the rapist, not the government, pays for all of the financial needs of the rape victim .



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06 Sep 2011, 2:46 pm

I've been away for about two weeks.

Can somebody tell me whether I have missed anything of substance in this thread, or has it merely been going around in circles for all that time?

(Sigh) Why do I even have to ask?


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06 Sep 2011, 2:51 pm

It's just the same old rhetoric. A bunch of hypocritical Pro-Lifers who insist that a rape victim must carry the child to term yet tell the rape victim to drop dead when she asks for welfare.



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06 Sep 2011, 3:39 pm

In fairness, it's also the same old rhetoric from the other side, too.

Why are there so few of us looking to find some sort of middle ground?


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06 Sep 2011, 3:42 pm

Extremism has no middle ground.



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06 Sep 2011, 5:03 pm

Okay, let's see if we can agree on a middle ground.

The government can compel a raped woman to take care of the rapist's fetus and baby.

However, by virtue of having forced a woman into this position, the government must assume all responsibility for the support of the mother and child.

And, give both of them a good life, with a nice home in a comfortable suburb. Not just try to lock them away in some run-down boarding house on the seedy side of town, so that no "Conservative" will have to see them and have his day temporarily ruined.



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06 Sep 2011, 5:55 pm

There are only 2 choices.

1. Force the rape victim to give birth to the child but provide no welfare benefits.
2. Let the rape victim choose whether or not to give birth but provide full welfare benefits.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:09 pm

ruveyn wrote:
mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

If I saw a woman dying in a gutter the first thing I would do is call 911.



Yeah. You'd call 911 for the fetus she just tried to abort, not for her.


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Thank you for addressing this ruveyn because I probably would have said something derogatory in response to mechanicalgirl39.

androbot2084 wrote:
It's just the same old rhetoric. A bunch of hypocritical Pro-Lifers who insist that a rape victim must carry the child to term yet tell the rape victim to drop dead when she asks for welfare.


No, I would actually have the rapist stuck in prison for the rest of their life making license plates and the money of what the rapist would have made is going to support the rape victim and the child if she agrees to keep the child. If she doesn't then it gets split 50% going to her and 50% going to the kid. I'm not saying the woman has to marry the rapist either.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:24 pm

As if making a dollar an hour at a prison is going to support a woman and her baby.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:26 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
No, I would actually have the rapist stuck in prison for the rest of their life making license plates and the money of what the rapist would have made is going to support the rape victim and the child if she agrees to keep the child. If she doesn't then it gets split 50% going to her and 50% going to the kid.


Are you going to raise the salary for prisoners making license plates? Ten cents per hour isn't going to support his victims.

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I'm not saying the woman has to marry the rapist either.


Why, that's mighty Liberal of you.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:29 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
As if making a dollar an hour at a prison is going to support a woman and her baby.


Last I checked minimum wage is over $6 an hour, and while it might not support the woman and the child on its own, considering that it would probably be nontaxable income (like any money gained as restitution for damages via the courts), it would help the woman some with the costs of living. She shouldn't sit on the couch and depend on welfare for the rest of her life, she can get a job to help support herself.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:30 pm

But under a Conservative government a rape victim has no choice whether or not to marry the rapist because there is no welfare safety net.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:33 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
But under a Conservative government a rape victim has no choice whether or not to marry the rapist because there is no welfare safety net.


Under a conservative government there is still financial restitution and punishment for crimes.

The rapist having to pay what is essentially child support for the rest of his/her life isn't welfare, it is restitution for damages.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:34 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
But under a Conservative government a rape victim has no choice whether or not to marry the rapist because there is no welfare safety net.


Not necessarily true. People do have families for support, even victims of rape.

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06 Sep 2011, 6:37 pm

A rapist cannot pay restitution while in prison.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:39 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
As if making a dollar an hour at a prison is going to support a woman and her baby.


Last I checked minimum wage is over $6 an hour, and while it might not support the woman and the child on its own, considering that it would probably be nontaxable income (like any money gained as restitution for damages via the courts), it would help the woman some with the costs of living. She shouldn't sit on the couch and depend on welfare for the rest of her life, she can get a job to help support herself.


Convicts in prison do not get minimum wage.