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14 Jul 2022, 12:00 pm

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Check the date of this news... it's long gone.
Exactly. Nowadays we wouldn't just shrug and go well, I guess it's a mystery we'd use DNA to confirm parentage and either confirm or dismiss him as a suspect.
I put the date in bold characters to indicate it is old news, a child as young as 5 could still be impregnated.

If the "baby" is still alive, his DNA could still be run, but the results would have to be statistically determined, which would only indicate high or low probability of paternity, but still not be absolutely certain.


Considering no charges will be brought the state has no interest.

If he likely is guilty the family aren't likely to seek to clear his name because they'd fear confirming guilt instead of dismissing it.


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14 Jul 2022, 1:40 pm

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Yes. Women's fertility is not textbook is it? e.g. those who find themselves suddenly giving birth on the toilet without knowing they were even pregnant.


My grandmother did that.
She didn't know she was pregnant with my dad.
He was born at home very premature in the 1930s.
Granddad gave him oxygen from a welding torch.
My grandmother put him in a roasting tray in the oven to stay warm.
They have no idea how far along he was, but he was tiny.


Yes, it happens more than we think. Even to women who've had kids before. They don't even have much of a bump.

I'm glad your dad survived, what a tough baby!

Pregnancy is far more mysterious than we think, and often gruesome with things going wrong. It's not all pink and blue bunnies and flowers is it.


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14 Jul 2022, 2:14 pm

He was my grandmother's second baby.
My aunt was born about 11 months prior and grandma was still nursing her.

We don't know how far along dad was but he was a micro-preemie.


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14 Jul 2022, 9:26 pm

Well it seems a lot of women consider this pro-life issue to be a men against women issue, but a lot of guys are pro-choice though, and a lot of women are pro-life, so why is it that women who are pro-choice see it as one gender against the other, when a lot of both genders are either one?



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14 Jul 2022, 9:28 pm

We've already addressed that.
It's not a gender issue.
It's a human rights issue.


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14 Jul 2022, 9:31 pm

Oh okay, it's just friends of mine I know blame men for the problem in conversations so I wasn't sure where that was coming from.



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14 Jul 2022, 10:00 pm

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Oh okay, it's just friends of mine I know blame men for the problem in conversations so I wasn't sure where that was coming from.


We've written about that topic for weeks now.


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14 Jul 2022, 11:17 pm

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Oh okay, it's just friends of mine I know blame men for the problem in conversations so I wasn't sure where that was coming from.


Dude you need to learn to pick up hints



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15 Jul 2022, 2:20 am

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Oh okay, it's just friends of mine I know blame men for the problem in conversations so I wasn't sure where that was coming from.


Dude you need to learn to pick up hints


To be fair, think of where he is right now and why that is. If we were better at picking up hints, none of us would be here. :lol:


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15 Jul 2022, 2:30 am

I don't particularly blame men for this pro-birth issue, I know a lot of men who are very angry about it. And a lot of women who support the harsh abortion laws. It's often women who are beyond the age of fertility so it would never affect them. Funny that. How any woman can support the removal of women's bodily autonomy is beyond me but this is where we are. When it affects their daughters, granddaughters etc. they might change their minds.


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15 Jul 2022, 10:45 am

KitLily wrote:
I don't particularly blame men for this pro-birth issue, I know a lot of men who are very angry about it. And a lot of women who support the harsh abortion laws. It's often women who are beyond the age of fertility so it would never affect them. Funny that. How any woman can support the removal of women's bodily autonomy is beyond me but this is where we are. When it affects their daughters, granddaughters etc. they might change their minds.


Hmm, I was wondering if there are any kind of studies about what kind of women are anti-choice? Like, could majority of them perhaps be lacking in sexual education and having no idea about the real dangers of pregnancy and childbirth?



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15 Jul 2022, 11:00 am

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Hmm, I was wondering if there are any kind of studies about what kind of women are anti-choice? Like, could majority of them perhaps be lacking in sexual education and having no idea about the real dangers of pregnancy and childbirth?


I think you could be right about that. It's amazing how so many people still don't receive any sexual education.

The women who are anti-choice that I unfortunately know are extremely religious. They are members The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and very strict in their beliefs.

I think there are large groups of very religious, puritanical people in America who have very strong beliefs and that's how America has got to the state it's in. Also many religions set the husband as head of the household and the wife should not disagree with him. So if he is anti choice, so is she.

Fortunately, religion doesn't have much influence in Britain.


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15 Jul 2022, 11:15 am

KitLily wrote:
I don't particularly blame men for this pro-birth issue, I know a lot of men who are very angry about it. And a lot of women who support the harsh abortion laws. It's often women who are beyond the age of fertility so it would never affect them. Funny that. How any woman can support the removal of women's bodily autonomy is beyond me but this is where we are. When it affects their daughters, granddaughters etc. they might change their minds.


It seems like just another way to pull the ladder up and make things harder for younger generations after they themselves are done benefiting from those rights.


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15 Jul 2022, 11:26 am

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It seems like just another way to pull the ladder up and make things harder for younger generations after they themselves are done benefiting from those rights.


Yes. Like in Britain, we have lots of politicians who are immigrants and whose parents were immigrants...yet they are voting to send current immigrants to Rwanda or back to where they were born, however long ago they left. Pulling up the ladder indeed. :?


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15 Jul 2022, 11:29 am

KitLily wrote:
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It seems like just another way to pull the ladder up and make things harder for younger generations after they themselves are done benefiting from those rights.


Yes. Like in Britain, we have lots of politicians who are immigrants and whose parents were immigrants...yet they are voting to send current immigrants to Rwanda or back to where they were born, however long ago they left. Pulling up the ladder indeed. :?


It's like the goal is to leave things as f****d as possible for their kids and grandkids. :(


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15 Jul 2022, 11:41 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
We've already addressed that.
It's not a gender issue.
It's a human rights issue.

Yes.And men are being denied vasectomies because of religious beliefs.
https://www.koamnewsnow.com/local-docto ... -freedoms/


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