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09 Sep 2022, 6:11 pm

Oberlin threw in the towel yesterday, they're paying. The only sour note is that the people responsible for the slander are not having to pay personally, much like dirty cops having their settlements paid for by the city instead of out of their own pockets.


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10 Sep 2022, 1:52 am

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There's a huge difference between the civil rights movement and forcibly trying to change people's manner of speaking.

Disagree, no there isn't. Of course there's more to civil and human rights than just words - like actions, for instance - but a massive part of it had to do with forcibly changing peoples' manner of speaking.. and thinking.. and doing - but speech was, and remains, a huge part of it so it's not that different.

Are you advocating for people to be rude and mean spirited to others in their speech with impunity and no expectation of them to improve their ways?


I think the one thing you're missing is wokism continues to get more absurd as we move along. Soon the next generation will feel it's their inalienable right to not be offended by ANTHING.

No thank you.


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10 Sep 2022, 4:42 am

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The entire premise of this thread is crazy to me.

I'm just picturing old man grandpa simpson shouting at kids because they want society to treat people better than it ever has in the past and grandpa just can't grasp having to treat everyone with dignity and respect - even people that don't look, act, or worship like he does.

Followed up with a closing statement of "GET OFF MY LAWN!" of course.


I think you might be missing the point as to why there's a pushback to wokism. It's like linguistic authoritarianism. That kind of social engineering just doesn't bode well with most folks. And it tends to be counter-productive.

Yes, it's so terrible when polite society updates it's vocabulary and the world makes progress. It's just awful how people can't run around referring to black people as the N word these days.[/sarcasm]


You so completely missed the point. You can't force these changes on people, there had to be a,natural evolution through dialog and education. That works a whole lot better than canceling people for using bad words.

Disagree. Yes, people can force good changes. It's how progress happens instead of just letting nasty people steamroll nicer people into giving up their fight for the betterment of society. No civil or human rights were won by people just politely waiting for them to spontaneously happen when oppressors felt like it.


Wokeism is forcing bad changes that goes against there core tenants of the civil rights movement. "Safe Spaces" is a form of resegregation. Wokeism thinks "color blindness" a central tenant of the civil rights movement is an excuse to cover up for our evil systematically racist society and needs to be done away with. Intergration is forcing BIPOC into triggering situations because you are forcing them into a systematically racist system with white people who because of power dynamics are automatically privileged racists. Wokeism posits the groups racial, gender etc you are central to your identity. A lot of the langauge changes being discussed in this thread are about making identity by groups privileged or systematically oppressed central.

Woke supporters like to point out that all this MLK civil rights movement love is is just another deflection from your racism, because you conservatives sure hated MLK King back in the day. You only profess support for him now as damage control, a lesser evil not out of admiration. Might as well just give upon now because your racist damage control is going to fail again because progress is inevitable.

It's true to a point, I am old enough to remember when conservatives really hated MLK. The man was anything but universally loved in his time. There is an old cliche "You don't know what you got 'til it's gone". This applies to racists and people who agree with the goal of color blindness. But the woke just know the latter are naive sheep because they are "woke" a superior brand of intelligent human(sarcasm).


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10 Sep 2022, 4:53 am

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Oberlin threw in the towel yesterday, they're paying. The only sour note is that the people responsible for the slander are not having to pay personally, much like dirty cops having their settlements paid for by the city instead of out of their own pockets.

They could have appealed to SCOTUS but Oberlin knows they would get nowhere with this SCOTUS. The woke might get one wish. The bakery could close, but that will be because the owners will be so rich they could pack it in and retire to some tropical island somewhere.


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12 Feb 2023, 10:01 am

Sir Tom Jones to defy woke ban on hit song Delilah at first major gig in Wales for 20 years

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Singer Sir Tom Jones looks set to defy cancel culture and perform his iconic track “Delilah” at his first major show in his home country for two decades.

The legendary Welsh star will perform at the Cardiff Castle in July, and the song has been included in the set list for his performance.

The 82-year-old icon still has a special place in his heart for the song, telling the BBC in 2014 he “loves to hear it sung at rugby games,” adding that the lyrics are “not a political statement.”


Sir Tom said: “'If it's going to be taken literally like that then I think it takes the fun out of it. I think it takes the spirit out why it's being sung.”

The 1968 classic, which has nearly sixty million streams on Spotify, has been banned by the Welsh Rugby Union from being played at matches in the country because the lyrics include a reference to a woman being murdered by her jealous partner.

The governing body, which has recently been hit by sexism and discrimination allegations, took the song off its half-time entertainment and music playlist during Test matches in 2015.

“Delilah will not feature on the playlist for choirs for rugby internationals at Principality Stadium,” a Principality Stadium spokesperson said.

“The WRU condemns domestic violence of any kind.

“We have previously sought advice from subject matter experts on the issue of censoring the song, and we are respectfully aware that it is problematic and upsetting to some supporters because of its subject matter.”

Guest choirs have also been asked not to feature the song.

Despite the ban, the crowd on Saturday’s Guinness Six Nations match between Wales and Ireland started to sing the track at the start of the second half.

Speaking to Nana Akua on GB News, Christine Hamilton said it was an “absolutely bonkers decision,” with broadcaster Danny Kelly adding that “it’s mental.”

He said: “Where do you draw the line? One of Queen songs was ‘put a gun against his head, pulled my trigger, now he's dead.’ At what point do you draw a line? Thank God the Welsh fans have ignored this woke lunacy.”


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13 Feb 2023, 1:43 am

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The 1968 classic, which has nearly sixty million streams on Spotify, has been banned by the Welsh Rugby Union from being played at matches in the country because the lyrics include a reference to a woman being murdered by her jealous partner.


So violence against women in heavy metal and rap music is ok??



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13 Feb 2023, 2:17 am

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The 1968 classic, which has nearly sixty million streams on Spotify, has been banned by the Welsh Rugby Union from being played at matches in the country because the lyrics include a reference to a woman being murdered by her jealous partner.


So violence against women in heavy metal and rap music is ok??

What was the intent to celebrate violence against women or to tell a story? If we are going to ban every movie, song or play describing misogyny that will mean endless cancellation.


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13 Feb 2023, 3:14 am

What about "Where the Wild Roses Grow" by Nick Cave. They should ban that too.



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13 Feb 2023, 3:16 am

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What about "Where the Wild Roses Grow" by Nick Cave. They should ban that too.


Nick Cave was given an honorary doctorate for writing that song



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16 Feb 2023, 9:30 pm

Well if Hollywood is going to ban their own movies, what are the woke crowd paying them to do this really though.



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17 Feb 2023, 5:21 am

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Well if Hollywood is going to ban their own movies, what are the woke crowd paying them to do this really though.


They can do whatever they like...the entertainment industry is controlled by them



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17 Feb 2023, 5:30 am

cyberdad wrote:
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Well if Hollywood is going to ban their own movies, what are the woke crowd paying them to do this really though.


They can do whatever they like...the entertainment industry is controlled by them


So eat the rich? yeah? *gets out fork and knife* sorry I am part troll so well I guess I will put those away.


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17 Feb 2023, 11:45 am

cyberdad wrote:
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The 1968 classic, which has nearly sixty million streams on Spotify, has been banned by the Welsh Rugby Union from being played at matches in the country because the lyrics include a reference to a woman being murdered by her jealous partner.


So violence against women in heavy metal and rap music is ok??


Does the Welsh Rugby Union play songs like that during matches?


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17 Feb 2023, 8:36 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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The 1968 classic, which has nearly sixty million streams on Spotify, has been banned by the Welsh Rugby Union from being played at matches in the country because the lyrics include a reference to a woman being murdered by her jealous partner.


So violence against women in heavy metal and rap music is ok??


Does the Welsh Rugby Union play songs like that during matches?


Some get a free pass (not a rugby pun)



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18 Feb 2023, 12:50 am

cyberdad wrote:
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The 1968 classic, which has nearly sixty million streams on Spotify, has been banned by the Welsh Rugby Union from being played at matches in the country because the lyrics include a reference to a woman being murdered by her jealous partner.


So violence against women in heavy metal and rap music is ok??


Does the Welsh Rugby Union play songs like that during matches?


Some get a free pass (not a rugby pun)


Can you name an example with that sort of content?


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18 Feb 2023, 10:25 am

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I realize the faddish thing to say these days is that we live in the worst, most broken and backward country in the world and maybe in the history of civilization. It’s utter nonsense.

America is a 2nd or 3rd world country that appears as a first world country, propped up by magic. A job perk of a machinist is the "living wage", because no longer is a living wage afforded to most Americans. Many adult americans still live with their parents, creating an "illusion of a first world country", but many do not actually have a living wage. Like a third world country, much of the mainstream medical is more like voodoo than scientific rigor. Could this be due to doctrine? They hid the cure to cancer for 40 years. Perhaps motivated by profits, or perhaps in obedience to the George Guidestones that demand a world population of no more than half a billion. Surely there is a better way to achieve depopulation without resorting to medical quackery and promoting junk diets?

In California they are no longer supporting trade schools such as machine shops. And for a long time if someone wanted to build a factory in America they were told by other Americans that it couldn't be done. California should be the strongest state in America as it is the 48's first line of defense against land invasion from the Pacific, and yet it the weakest and most restrictive. Californians should be the proud owners of rocket launchers and hand grenades, and yet the politicians there are the most prolifically anti-2nd amendment. It almost seems as if this was all planned by the Chinese 100 years in the making. Let us hope it is not too little too late, as with the Ukrainians, you want the citizens armed with grenades and rockets before and not after the invasion.

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There is no formal social credit system of the kind that exists right now in China. By any measure, we have achieved incredible progress and enjoy extraordinary freedoms. And yet people aren’t acting that way. They are acting, increasingly, like subjects in a totalitarian country.

Totalitarianism is not inherently a bad thing. Its just bad if it happens to America, because America needs to remain a safe haven for freedom. Social credit systems aren't inherently bad, they just have the potential to be dystopian, and need to be tweaked, refined and optimized so they don't function in a dystopian manner. For example, lets say a neighbor has a loud leaf blower they use in the morning at 6 AM. You asked them to stop but they don't. You call the cops and cops say they can't do anything because its not illegal. Absolutely a social credit system would come in handy for that situation and you can complain about the loud leaf blower on there.

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I will not fight wokes unless they are traitors who want to ban our guns. We've had oppressive conservatives restricting people's rights for a long time now, and I am not gonna trade that just for a new form of tyranny.
Side note: Trump is not an ally of the 2nd amendment and you cannot count on him to defend your rights.

As for cancel culture and woke media, its a free country so you are free to make your own content if you want. According to our laws there are anti-monopoly laws but they just are not currently being enforced, it does feel a bit sus that there is so much gatekeeping in terms of content distribution. I do believe in gatekeeping in the sense of content filters (there needs to be content filters, for example a filter consumers can push to exclude R rated content. For example, if someone has PTSD from the war in iraq they could push a button to filter all videos about war or iraq.) But complete censorship is unamerican, complete censorship would be banning all videos about the war in iraq for all consumers.

So basically, the conservatives have been breaking the constitution for a long time now, by forcing american media conglomerates to censor LGBT content. And now some people are looking to trade that for the reverse form of tyranny, the woke brigade forcing people to put LGBT or minority characters in, OR ELSE, even if it doesn't fit the overall story or theme. Or banning content for some tweet someone made 15 years ago that has no bearing on anything and might not represent their current political views.