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I can't help thinking that average Britons held much more resentment towards the US after WWII than they talked about publicly. Although the US sustained many casualties fighting the Axis, nevertheless the US really cashed in after the war whereas Britain never truly recovered in my opinion. Consider how the British made out in the post war years versus the Germans. It would seem that, even though Germany lost some of its territory, the British really got the short end of the stick.
Whenever Google's AI gives an info-dump rather than a concise answer, I tend to conclude there is no good, generally accepted answer for this. Let's disregard Christian Zionism as a major factor in the history of Zionism, although I'll admit that Israel has managed to take advantage:
Christian Zionism before 1948
Intellectual and religious foundation
English Protestant Restorationism: In the 17th century, English Puritans developed the idea of "restorationism," believing in the eventual return of the Jewish people to the Holy Land as a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
Influence on British policy: By the 19th century, figures like Lord Shaftesbury successfully lobbied for political support of a Jewish return to Palestine. This religious belief later became integrated into British policy, laying the groundwork for the 1917 Balfour Declaration.
Support for Jewish Zionism: When the modern Jewish Zionist movement began in the late 19th century, Christian restorationists, who were by then being called Christian Zionists, offered enthusiastic support. A notable figure was William Hechler, a British clergyman who became a close friend and key diplomatic aide to Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern political Zionism.
Post-1948 growth of influence
Shift to the United States
Rise of dispensationalism: In the 20th century, the center of Christian Zionism moved to the United States. Dispensationalism, a theological framework that emphasizes a distinction between Israel and the church, gained influence among American evangelicals.
Theological motivations: For many Christian Zionists, the establishment of Israel in 1948 was a partial fulfillment of prophecy and a precursor to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Supporting Israel is therefore seen as a spiritual duty.
Political power and lobbying
Organizational strength: Organizations like Christians United for Israel (CUFI) boast millions of members, far outnumbering traditional Jewish lobby groups. These groups are highly effective at mobilizing their members and influencing U.S. politics.
Conservative alliance: Beginning in the 1980s, Christian Zionists became a powerful voting bloc within the Republican Party, contributing to a solid, ongoing relationship with the Israeli government.
Support for controversial policies: This political influence has resulted in support for specific policies, such as the U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and the ongoing expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
Financial and material support
Humanitarian and development aid: Christian Zionist organizations have poured millions of dollars into Israel, funding various humanitarian, resettlement, and security programs.
West Bank settlement funding: Some Christian Zionist groups have specifically funded Jewish settlement programs in the West Bank, often for religious reasons related to biblical prophecy.
Promoting immigration (Aliyah): Groups like the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews help finance and facilitate the immigration of Jewish people to Israel, seeing it as a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
Ambivalence in the relationship
Jewish perspectives
Strategic alliance: Many Jewish Zionist leaders, including the Israeli government, have embraced the support of Christian Zionists to advance their political goals, even while acknowledging the complex motivations of their Christian partners.
Theological differences: Some in the Jewish community remain wary, noting that many Christian Zionists believe in the eventual conversion of Jews to Christianity or their destruction in the End Times.
Criticism from other Christian groups
Palestinian Christians: The rise of Christian Zionism has been criticized by Palestinian Christians, who feel it ignores their rights and has negative consequences for Palestinians in general.
Alternative perspectives: There are also many American Christians and churches that advocate for Palestinian rights, rejecting the idea that supporting Palestinians is a contradiction of their faith.
But if you consider the history of Israel you have to conclude that the establishment of the Jewish State can be credited to Jews almost entirely.
Regarding anti-Zionist Jews, I know some of them. One came from a background of left-wing Trade Unionism in Philadelphia and I guess he feels that leftists ought to oppose Zionism as it's a cause associated with the Right. The other one is a slightly built fellow who has done well for himself but was often beaten up in high school by antisemitic bullies. It's possible he never really liked being Jewish despite identifying strongly with that. He has relatives in Israel and has been there more than once so far as I know. He's big on the idea that Israel is an "Apartheid state" which I know isn't true as I have been to Apartheid-era South Africa and to Israel twice, and there's very little overlap between those two situations, but I think that guy is somehow made uncomfortable by the idea of Jews being "top dog" in that part of the Middle East, like Jewish survival is a matter of keeping one's head down so the bullies don't notice you. Both are good people, I just don't agree with them. But their existence doesn't really tell us anything about the situation in Gaza.
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I'm also going to go bonkers if his face shows up on one of the newly made dollar bills, if possible.
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The social conservative Christian moralist outrage group known as the Parents Television Council, who's lifelong goal since the mid '90s is to censor and remove adult animation from the airwaves, is now going bankrupt.
I'm gonna grab a hard drink to celebrate. It's not everyday an enemy of media freedom goes under.
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If my darkness or eccentricity offends you, I don't really care.
I will not apologize for being me.
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There better not be a Trump day. I wish he'd croak already. I have a special song for him when he dres. Thank You Very Much from the musical version of A Christmas Carol.
Thank you very much
Thank you very much
That's the nicest thing
Anyone's ever done for me
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The real life game of Monopoly has reached a new phase.
The rich have decided to keep the economy afloat (despite increasing wealth gap, poverty, and job layoffs) by buying from and selling to each other. The middle class is officially no longer profitable.
This is bad. Really really bad because it's working.
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If my darkness or eccentricity offends you, I don't really care.
I will not apologize for being me.
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30 years i've been waiting for a sign signal or message form someone claiming to be 'a friend' 30 years of wasted time for something that has never come.. Sometimes i just wonder whats going through peoples minds when they lie through their teeth, Causing Unresolved pain and mental anguish. I really dislike people sometimes.
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If the King came out as non-binary, British would have to sing God Save the Monarch at football matches.
feel guilty for not treating old man and old woman better
spoiled upper middle class brat
dena
rolando/kayla
(rolls eyes) (puke)
constantly: scared, uptight, edgy, jealous, bored.
some of my coworkers act more like wild animals than humans:
lazy boy steve
tattletale tom
mya
janice
front end supervisor angela w
(former?) head cashier angela d
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does my head in when things devolve into binary us vs them, religion vs atheists, right vs wrong left vs right up vs down thinking. seems to devolve the very thinking and environment around it. but hey tribalism.
'We shall become all Powerful? Crush the lesser races? Conquer the galaxy?
Unimaginable power, unlimited rice pudding, et cetera, et cetera.'
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I prefer to stay even. I'm an atheist but I still respect other people's religions.
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There is a marked difference between respecting other people's beliefs and religions, and those same systems being weaponised as binary, marxist style tribalism — a tool of “us versus them” control. Too often, faith and ideology are twisted into mechanisms of division, used to keep the masses aligned under banners they barely understand, following the only path they’ve ever been shown.
Those who exploit this dynamic thrive on simplicity — offering easy answers to complex problems, soothing discomfort with certainty, and feeding conformity under the guise of truth. In doing so, they strip away the nuance, curiosity, and humanity that real belief demands. Respecting faith means honouring diversity of thought and spirit; weaponising it means suppressing both.
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I just want to go back to the 1800s where there was no technology and people thought for themselves and married women didn't have to go to work.
Oh, edit - by "people thought for themselves" what I meant was people used their brains instead of stupid f*****g AI and ChatGBT.
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