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07 Sep 2011, 4:23 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
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If you're talking about the 13 year old example, you do realize that is statutory rape unless the person she had sex with is about the same age or younger. Shouldn't the authorities in that situation be notified? Also the 13 year old example could potentially fall under extreme health threat to mother, and not just oh I don't want the kid.


So then you would approve of her seeking out a safe and legal abortion?


I said I would want law enforcement contacted. If we're at the point where there is brain activity (48 days after conception) then it will have to be a wait and see situation and it would have to be a decision in conjunction with a physician that would have no financial interest in recommending an abortion.

A situation like that is extreme health danger, and last I heard, that's only about 1 to 2% of Abortions.


So we need a lot of government involvement to make this work.
Social workers, Cops, etc we would need someone to run it.
I wonder what Gertrud Scholtz-Klink is doing now.


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Uh no financial interest means the doctor is not being paid by the abortion clinic and doesn't have anything to gain by recommending abortions.

As far as people watching this, it really wouldn't take that many people.

You're trying to turn this into a welfare program when it isn't.



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07 Sep 2011, 4:23 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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Inuyasha, your obsession with what a rape victim should do is a bit odd.

Just sayin'.


Cause I have a cousin whom was a victim of statutory rape, and she ended up having a kid. The kid isn't a monster, he looks nothing like the scumbag that raped her. I'm really glad that a guy she knew from high school ended up marrying her finally and he and the kid get along well.

Whenever people start preaching about abortion should be allowed for this and that, it's like saying that that my cousin's son shouldn't have been allowed to exist.

I wish that scumbag had been prosecuted and/or neutered, however the fact the kid's dad is a scumbag doesn't mean the kid is a scumbag.


Statutory rape tends to suggest your cousin consented but was not legally allowed, so I don't understand the connection.

Anyway, I'm out again. This topic really irritates me and I have no idea why I keep popping in. :?


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07 Sep 2011, 4:28 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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Inuyasha, your obsession with what a rape victim should do is a bit odd.

Just sayin'.


Cause I have a cousin whom was a victim of statutory rape, and she ended up having a kid. The kid isn't a monster, he looks nothing like the scumbag that raped her. I'm really glad that a guy she knew from high school ended up marrying her finally and he and the kid get along well.

Whenever people start preaching about abortion should be allowed for this and that, it's like saying that that my cousin's son shouldn't have been allowed to exist.

I wish that scumbag had been prosecuted and/or neutered, however the fact the kid's dad is a scumbag doesn't mean the kid is a scumbag.


Statutory rape tends to suggest your sister consented but was not legally allowed, so I don't understand the connection.

Anyway, I'm out again. This topic really irritates me and I have no idea why I keep popping in. :?


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07 Sep 2011, 4:44 pm

What about all those women who are going to yell "RAPE!! !", just so they can have that $35 per month?



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07 Sep 2011, 5:00 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

If you're talking about the 13 year old example, you do realize that is statutory rape unless the person she had sex with is about the same age or younger. Shouldn't the authorities in that situation be notified? Also the 13 year old example could potentially fall under extreme health threat to mother, and not just oh I don't want the kid.


So then you would approve of her seeking out a safe and legal abortion?


I said I would want law enforcement contacted. If we're at the point where there is brain activity (48 days after conception) then it will have to be a wait and see situation and it would have to be a decision in conjunction with a physician that would have no financial interest in recommending an abortion.

A situation like that is extreme health danger, and last I heard, that's only about 1 to 2% of Abortions.


So we need a lot of government involvement to make this work.
Social workers, Cops, etc we would need someone to run it.
I wonder what Gertrud Scholtz-Klink is doing now.


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Uh no financial interest means the doctor is not being paid by the abortion clinic and doesn't have anything to gain by recommending abortions.

As far as people watching this, it really wouldn't take that many people.

You're trying to turn this into a welfare program when it isn't.


Prenatal care and labor & delivery are much, much more costly (profitable) than abortions. The doctor has a significantly greater financial interest in recommending that the patient carry out the pregnancy. (Most "abortion clinics" such as Planned Parenthood do provide regular OB services).



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07 Sep 2011, 5:03 pm

number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

If you're talking about the 13 year old example, you do realize that is statutory rape unless the person she had sex with is about the same age or younger. Shouldn't the authorities in that situation be notified? Also the 13 year old example could potentially fall under extreme health threat to mother, and not just oh I don't want the kid.


So then you would approve of her seeking out a safe and legal abortion?


I said I would want law enforcement contacted. If we're at the point where there is brain activity (48 days after conception) then it will have to be a wait and see situation and it would have to be a decision in conjunction with a physician that would have no financial interest in recommending an abortion.

A situation like that is extreme health danger, and last I heard, that's only about 1 to 2% of Abortions.


So we need a lot of government involvement to make this work.
Social workers, Cops, etc we would need someone to run it.
I wonder what Gertrud Scholtz-Klink is doing now.


:roll:

Uh no financial interest means the doctor is not being paid by the abortion clinic and doesn't have anything to gain by recommending abortions.

As far as people watching this, it really wouldn't take that many people.

You're trying to turn this into a welfare program when it isn't.


Prenatal care and labor & delivery are much, much more costly (profitable) than abortions. The doctor has a significantly greater financial interest in recommending that the patient carry out the pregnancy. (Most "abortion clinics" such as Planned Parenthood do provide regular OB services).


Explains why they constantly push women to have abortions... :roll:



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07 Sep 2011, 5:10 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

If you're talking about the 13 year old example, you do realize that is statutory rape unless the person she had sex with is about the same age or younger. Shouldn't the authorities in that situation be notified? Also the 13 year old example could potentially fall under extreme health threat to mother, and not just oh I don't want the kid.


So then you would approve of her seeking out a safe and legal abortion?


I said I would want law enforcement contacted. If we're at the point where there is brain activity (48 days after conception) then it will have to be a wait and see situation and it would have to be a decision in conjunction with a physician that would have no financial interest in recommending an abortion.

A situation like that is extreme health danger, and last I heard, that's only about 1 to 2% of Abortions.


So we need a lot of government involvement to make this work.
Social workers, Cops, etc we would need someone to run it.
I wonder what Gertrud Scholtz-Klink is doing now.


:roll:

Uh no financial interest means the doctor is not being paid by the abortion clinic and doesn't have anything to gain by recommending abortions.

As far as people watching this, it really wouldn't take that many people.

You're trying to turn this into a welfare program when it isn't.


Prenatal care and labor & delivery are much, much more costly (profitable) than abortions. The doctor has a significantly greater financial interest in recommending that the patient carry out the pregnancy. (Most "abortion clinics" such as Planned Parenthood do provide regular OB services).


Explains why they constantly push women to have abortions... :roll:

no sweetheart it explains the opposite. :roll:


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07 Sep 2011, 5:10 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:

Prenatal care and labor & delivery are much, much more costly (profitable) than abortions. The doctor has a significantly greater financial interest in recommending that the patient carry out the pregnancy. (Most "abortion clinics" such as Planned Parenthood do provide regular OB services).


Explains why they constantly push women to have abortions... :roll:


Who? How?



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07 Sep 2011, 5:21 pm

The Republican politician David Duke who was a member of the KKK used to brag that if he ever got into office that he would cut off those Welfare Queens if they had more kids.

Sure enough in California there is a new welfare law that states that if you become pregnant while on welfare that you receive no additional cash aid welfare entitlements for your additional child. Additional food stamps yes and aditional Medi-Cal yes but no additional cash aid for diapers, clothing or other essential supplies.
What a victory for the KKK.

Now to be honest I don't know if this law applies to rape victims and even if it does it could be challenged in court. But nevertheless it seems that if it were up to the Religious Right a rape victim would not be granted any exceptions to this new welfare law because that would mean that the rich would not get their tax break. And of course God wants them to be rich.



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07 Sep 2011, 5:35 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The Republican politician David Duke who was a member of the KKK used to brag that if he ever got into office that he would cut off those Welfare Queens if they had more kids.

Sure enough in California there is a new welfare law that states that if you become pregnant while on welfare that you receive no additional cash aid welfare entitlements for your additional child. Additional food stamps yes and aditional Medi-Cal yes but no additional cash aid for diapers, clothing or other essential supplies.
What a victory for the KKK.

Now to be honest I don't know if this law applies to rape victims and even if it does it could be challenged in court. But nevertheless it seems that if it were up to the Religious Right a rape victim would not be granted any exceptions to this new welfare law because that would mean that the rich would not get their tax break. And of course God wants them to be rich.


Isn't that the same David Duke that Republicans started putting out campaign ads to support the Democrat over Duke.



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07 Sep 2011, 6:36 pm

Do "Conservatives" perceive any difference between rape victims and welfare queens?



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07 Sep 2011, 9:07 pm

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Do "Conservatives" perceive any difference between rape victims and welfare queens?


Not sure about the nutcase calling himself a Conservative known as David Duke, but most Conservatives know there is a difference.



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07 Sep 2011, 9:46 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Do "Conservatives" perceive any difference between rape victims and welfare queens?


Not sure about the nutcase calling himself a Conservative known as David Duke, but most Conservatives know there is a difference.


And what do "Conservatives" perceive the difference to be?

Remember: under your rules, the rape victim gets $35 per month until her brat turns 18, if she is fully milking the system.



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07 Sep 2011, 11:46 pm

pandabear wrote:
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Do "Conservatives" perceive any difference between rape victims and welfare queens?


Not sure about the nutcase calling himself a Conservative known as David Duke, but most Conservatives know there is a difference.


And what do "Conservatives" perceive the difference to be?

Remember: under your rules, the rape victim gets $35 per month until her brat turns 18, if she is fully milking the system.


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That is not what I said and you know it.

I said the rape victim would be getting the equivalent of minimum wage * number of hours rapist works (which is at least 40 hrs a week/probably more). I don't think anyone would be opposed to this idea whether conservative or liberal cause the rapist isn't getting any of the money, the victim is.



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07 Sep 2011, 11:56 pm

54 pages arguing this BS? OK, it ends here.... obviously, it was the rapist who initiated the action that made the baby. Therefore, he gets it!

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08 Sep 2011, 12:33 am

I have a solution that will satisfy everyone: transplant the zef from the woman's uterus to the abdominal wall of the rapist, asap. She gets her life back, he gets the 9 months of misery + life-threatening pregnancy. Zef isn't killed. See how well that works?!