Does God Have A Sense Of Humor - The Great Debate

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10 Feb 2010, 1:21 am

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There is also a third possibility - one that I haven't particularly explored much yet but, I can't summarily rule it out. That's the possibility that there is no God but, by our own psychic energy signature we have created our own degree of 'life hereafter', spirit, or whatever else. Its not something I'd stand on without getting more of a grasp on it, but, in the sense of atheists who do perhaps believe in life essence reincarnating or some form of animism, may well be on to something. Admittedly though, I simply don't know enough on that school of thought.
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I appreciate your attempts to introduce me to an area that I have no acquaintance with but your promises of nausea are somewhat forbidding. My main perceptive thrusts are along psycho-physiological lines wherein we, each of us, begin life with a multitude of sense inputs that somehow must be coordinated into an integrated complex which must result in an outlook with a good deal of congruence to those of our fellow humans. The basics such as the assumption of commonly agreed upon colors and shapes and individual objects may seem to be common property but, at least with our present limited understandings and instruments to probe the methods of the brain, we have no secure method to verify that assumption. But the processes learned and the skills acquired in this elemental dealing with the universe are extended in creating, within the matrix of our individual nervous systems, fellow humans and other living creatures and this process has encouraged at least some of us to go even further to manufacture much more theoretical entities to buttress theoretical suppositions as to basic sources for all this sense material. Thus gods, gremlins, flying saucers, vampires, ghosts and Mickey Mouse.

CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE

Sits in my skull
A curled gray beast
Molded to its cup of bone,
Alone.

The outside world
It cannot know.
Not light, air, bulk nor hues.
Just clues.

The nexus of
A finespun net
Which terminates its axon knout
In doubt.

Its billion lines
Transmit responses
Sifting pulses; all compiled
And filed.

Confusion, first ubiquitous.
Unvectored bits, zero, one
'Til the sources are assigned,
Aligned.

Woven nerves
Festooned with figures;
Puzzled with the patterns, matching,
Hatching.

Lacing through
From point to point.
Architecting, congruencing,
Sensing.

Congealing concepts.
Counting, seeking.
Logic engine freely dreaming,
Scheming.

Fitting this,
Forming that,
Smoothing, joining, multiplying.
Trying.

Granting trope
Its own dynamic.
Now it all agglomerates
And mates.


Sloughing off
All errata,
Chaos clears.
Universe
Appears.



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10 Feb 2010, 7:42 am

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I appreciate your attempts to introduce me to an area that I have no acquaintance with but your promises of nausea are somewhat forbidding. My main perceptive thrusts are along psycho-physiological lines wherein we, each of us, begin life with a multitude of sense inputs that somehow must be coordinated into an integrated complex which must result in an outlook with a good deal of congruence to those of our fellow humans. The basics such as the assumption of commonly agreed upon colors and shapes and individual objects may seem to be common property but, at least with our present limited understandings and instruments to probe the methods of the brain, we have no secure method to verify that assumption. But the processes learned and the skills acquired in this elemental dealing with the universe are extended in creating, within the matrix of our individual nervous systems, fellow humans and other living creatures and this process has encouraged at least some of us to go even further to manufacture much more theoretical entities to buttress theoretical suppositions as to basic sources for all this sense material. Thus gods, gremlins, flying saucers, vampires, ghosts and Mickey Mouse.

This is where I start with it - I think there is good evidence, in small forms but quite convincing, that there are degrees of a) psychic ability b) precognition and c) even certain kinds of waves that may hit before major events. That could mean absolutely nothing in terms of deity but, it does convey that there's some larger framework to physics in regard to our own energy. Its also why I'm thinking that we're still scraping the surface in our understanding of the universe we live in.


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10 Feb 2010, 8:20 am

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I appreciate your attempts to introduce me to an area that I have no acquaintance with but your promises of nausea are somewhat forbidding. My main perceptive thrusts are along psycho-physiological lines wherein we, each of us, begin life with a multitude of sense inputs that somehow must be coordinated into an integrated complex which must result in an outlook with a good deal of congruence to those of our fellow humans. The basics such as the assumption of commonly agreed upon colors and shapes and individual objects may seem to be common property but, at least with our present limited understandings and instruments to probe the methods of the brain, we have no secure method to verify that assumption. But the processes learned and the skills acquired in this elemental dealing with the universe are extended in creating, within the matrix of our individual nervous systems, fellow humans and other living creatures and this process has encouraged at least some of us to go even further to manufacture much more theoretical entities to buttress theoretical suppositions as to basic sources for all this sense material. Thus gods, gremlins, flying saucers, vampires, ghosts and Mickey Mouse.

This is where I start with it - I think there is good evidence, in small forms but quite convincing, that there are degrees of a) psychic ability b) precognition and c) even certain kinds of waves that may hit before major events. That could mean absolutely nothing in terms of deity but, it does convey that there's some larger framework to physics in regard to our own energy. Its also why I'm thinking that we're still scraping the surface in our understanding of the universe we live in.


I'm terribly sorry, but all the evidence for the psychic phenomena you mentioned has not been verified to my satisfaction. I am quite sure we have a long way to go to even get rationally theoretical about some of the basics of the universe but random speculation about unconfirmed data remains, at least for me, amusing fantasy.



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I'm terribly sorry, but all the evidence for the psychic phenomena you mentioned has not been verified to my satisfaction. I am quite sure we have a long way to go to even get rationally theoretical about some of the basics of the universe but random speculation about unconfirmed data remains, at least for me, amusing fantasy.

As you could probably expect I'm somewhat indifferent on that. I do remember there being a random probability generator, something that simulated random flips of heads or tails, and charted how random probability worked. The results seemed to be that the results aren't consistent, not so much even just within statistical norms but in the wake of great world events the probabilities would jump well outside the normal scope - either majority heads or tails. One can argue that this is hoodoo gibberish, that its rigged by believers for believers, by that token a person can aptly throw out or disqualify pretty much any study as fixed, a bad example of statistical wizardry or plain out rigging thinking 'the ends justifies the means' - I guess I might just be naive enough to figure that people are earnestly trying to do things correctly.

On that though, we elect and disqualify different bodies of data - which is why this is pointless to debate. We know each others' opinions, probably fine for us to clarify opinions but ultimately there's no common ground to even have meaningful debate; which is fine, it tends to be a common problem with most conversations of this sort, that's just the reason why I find myself challenged to find much reason to ultimately try to debunk someone else's views or feel like I'm in danger of having someone debunk my own.


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10 Feb 2010, 5:21 pm

men



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10 Feb 2010, 5:40 pm

Don't worry! When you realize that guys love the woman who'll engage them in conversation, from this kind of thing to the most mundane everyday items, your game will improve by leaps and bounds.


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10 Feb 2010, 5:42 pm

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10 Feb 2010, 5:54 pm

I would say so, though it's a dark sort to be sure.


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13 Feb 2010, 4:42 pm

The God of the Bible doesn't seem to :( But the pantheistic, nature-derived version of God that I believe in most certainly has a sense of humor!! :D Otherwise, what's the point of living?!



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15 Feb 2010, 11:20 am

"What's he like?"
"God? Lonely. But funny. He's got a great sense of humor. Take sex for example. There's nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus."
"Sex is a joke in heaven?"
"The way I understand it, it's mostly a joke down here, too."



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15 Feb 2010, 11:43 am

Kalikimaka wrote:
"What's he like?"
"God? Lonely. But funny. He's got a great sense of humor. Take sex for example. There's nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus."
"Sex is a joke in heaven?"
"The way I understand it, it's mostly a joke down here, too."


It's amazing how much that photo of God you show looks a bit like Groucho Marx. That's the way I always thought of Him.



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15 Feb 2010, 1:53 pm

Gotta admire the guy who'll dance the Charleston at the site of Hitler's death.


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15 Feb 2010, 4:54 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Free will.



.... Omniscience.



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15 Feb 2010, 5:22 pm

I do not find free will and omniscience dichotmous in nature.



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I do not find free will and omniscience dichotmous in nature.


Look harder.



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15 Feb 2010, 6:04 pm

I have. they in no way contredict one another.