Israel threatens to wipe out Europe with nuclear bombs
Once the Palestinians acquire the type of military hardware Israel has at its disposal it seems unlikely that suicide bombing will remain a useful instrument. The Japanese, who are not at all primitive, used it in WWII and the Doolittle attack on Tokyo is about as close to a suicide bombing as the Americans got.
Suicide was never intended to carry out the attack. Crash landing in China was required, with possible fatal consequences in the attempt. Dolittle's people never saw the matter as sacrificing their lives, rather it was taking a chance and risking death. For a Kamikaze pilot there was no risk of death, there was certainty of death and the intention was to die in making a blow against the enemy. That is a very, very big difference.
By the way, most of the Doolittle raiders came back home and celebrated their mission and their fellowship with toasts and mutual affection for many years following.
I forget the casualties. Three of the raiders who were caught by the Japanese were executed. Some died upon crash landing in China. One crew made it to Russia and was interned for the rest of the war. The rest came home. The people who suffered the most were Chinese. The Japanese took a horrendous revenge on tens of thousands of Chinese because most of the Americans escaped.
The raid was a success. It raised morale at home and it chilled the Japanese to the bone. Their smug assurance that they were unassailable at home vanished in a thrice. Later on they suffered many more, and more substantial raids. To put the matter bluntly, we burned Japan to the ground, even not counting the two nuclear attacks. We set their houses on fire and burned many alive. The raid on Tokyo leveled sixteen square miles of Tokyo and killed many more people than perished in the nuclear attacks. It was get-even for Pearl Harbor. American was at her leanest, meanest best in those days.
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My intent was no criticism of the Doolittle people. It was a brave and tough job and great propaganda but death was a very large possibility and a reality in some cases. No doubt the Americans exulted in huge civilian deaths of the Japanese as did the Japanese in the Pearl Harbor and many other events. That war is probably and necessarily like that does not make it commendable. The joy you express in vengeance against helpless populations chills my blood.
My intent was no criticism of the Doolittle people. It was a brave and tough job and great propaganda but death was a very large possibility and a reality in some cases. No doubt the Americans exulted in huge civilian deaths of the Japanese as did the Japanese in the Pearl Harbor and many other events. That war is probably and necessarily like that does not make it commendable. The joy you express in vengeance against helpless populations chills my blood.
The nature of war is to kill the enemy and wreck his sh*t. There is no such thing as a deathless war. And yes, I have some joy in knowing that Americans can measure up when they are sufficiently pushed. It fills me with some hope.
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I was actually referring to suicide bombings in the context of terrorism, the Japanese Kamakazi were active during a declared war and targeting military assets. What I've heard about the Palestinians and suicide bombings is that originally they would attack Israeli citizens on the streets with gunfire, but that due to Israel's universal conscription the Israelis under attack tended to return fire, often with better affect than their attackers. This led to the change in doctrine to "martyrdom operations, or as the Israelis themselves reportadly call them, "not so smart bombs" or "couture by Semtex".
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The U.S. has over 10,000 nukes of various kinds. Israel has fewer than 500. Israel does not have long range delivery capability either. It has no ICBMs. As a nuclear power, Israel is a threat only to its neighbors. The U.S. can launch missiles with 10 separately targetable warheads. Israel has developed no such weapons. Any of it nukes will be delivered by aircraft. Perhaps someday Israel will have a UAV that can drop a nuke. That is within its technical and economic capabilities.
Well, perheps this moron want to read a bit about on Israel's technological neuclear abilities in this British journal, how you call it, Jane's? Am I correct? Or that you are so f*****g ignorant and arrogant (European I forgot) to even know you have such journal? Israel has between 200 to 400 nuclear warheads, each is 20 times stronger than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Now, I don't know if any of you fellows have ever read about one famous Indian world wide published computer simulation research which show, about two years ago, that less than 150 smaller bombs, hitting in different locations on the glob, are enough to raise such a dast cloud that humanity will ceased to exist. Also, Israel neuclear power os about 4000 times the bomb dropped on Hiroshima, or more, isn't it enough to f**k you all in the ass? Sorry for using this language, I'm Israeli, we are the Jews, yet not developed as you are-even if we are responsable to more than 50% of your achivments while we are less than 0.5% of humanity.
So you say we want to wipe you out, probably you just think it would be natural for someone to want to kill the one who presude him, but we are not interested in world wipe neuclear war and as Europe is sinking (probably because of your ego weight) we don't care much about you.
Now, let's go to Israel delivery systems. Israel have developed the Shavit, space launch vehicle which use it to launch 13 of its domestic developed and built satellites (sorry for the spell you one language morons). If we already talk about Israeli satellites so they are ranked among best in the world, for instance, the TESCAR is ranked 1 in its class (try to google: Israel Launches Advanced Spy Satellite). The Israeli Lavi jet fighter, a project called off due to American pressure, was considered the best one engine jet fighter-today the Chinese fisrt jet figther (see: wikipedia Chengdu J-10#Foreign_participation) -well, I get of the subject. Let's return to the Shavit, its military version is actually the Jericho 2 inter continental ballistic missile, its range is up to 7800 km, according to google earth the distance between Israel and the most remote part of Germany, for instance, is slightly more than 2000 km and much much less than 3000km, certainly less than 7800km. The most remote European point from Israel is more or less 4000 km far from it. Now, Israel posses, according to many international sources, about 50 to 100 Jericho 2 missiles, based in underground nuclear formidble silos. But that's not the best part, we still far, Israel posses the Jericho 3, the Jericho 2 big brother, since 2008. The Jericho 3 missile, again, Israel's self development, have the range of 11,500 km with 3 neuclear warheads (MIRVes technology) -enough to get even to Parth in Australia (and not that we have something special against it) and signficantly larger range with one. Now this is according to the American congress report. Thats meen that the Israeli missiles and neuclear arsenal is larger and more sophisticated than this of UK, perheps.
As for UAVs, I propose you read a little about it, Israel was the first country in the world to built modern UAV back in the mid 1970's, it's one of the World's largest exports of UAV, with among its customers you can find Germany, USA and if I'm not mistaken-UK as well. The Israeli Eitan (see wikipedia IAI_Eitan) for instance, have the range of 7400 km as well as the ability to already carry neulear weapon-that's according to....British source...
Now, submarines, well, someone said aging? Funny because the oldest active submarine in the Israeli navy is 11 years old (see wikipedia Israeli Sea Corps#Dolphin_class) the newest is less than one year old...They are considered the best in their class and have the range that allow them to get much farest than Europe. Israel have five of those and looking for the sixth, these are, sadly, German built submarines -but their cruise missiles are 100% Israeli made and developed! the Israeli missile cruise range is as long as 2400 km and yes, they are neuclear
(see wikipedia Nuclear weapons and Israel#Marine).
So, what left...hmmm..right! The "obselete" Israeli F-16. That's hailirious for many reasons, one is that only two years ago Israel was took the delivery of 101 newones and already signed a deal for 75 new F-35 to be delivered in 2013. The Israeli airforce F-15s and F-16s been through such improvments that the Americans say they are no longer F-15 AND F-16 aside for their feusalage and engine, the avionics is 100 precent Israeli and it's considered as world top, according to many foreign professional sources (see one Israeli product for instance: ( see wikipedia EL/M-2075). Rest of the Israeli F-16s are less than 25 old, at age 25 they are being taken out of service-and anyway, their maintaince keep them operational.
You see, I can't see why you insist Israel has no capabilities of delivery systems-we have serioues expreinece in building and designing planes. For example, the G200 (see wikipedia Gulfstream_G200) buisnes jet which is first in its class. We designed and built the Arrow (see wikipedia Arrow_(missile)), which is the direct father of the THHAD (98% of the technology was taken from the arrow). And the economist made special review on Israel and asked why Britan can't have advanced Hi Tec sector as the Israeli one, google it (For instance: look for "invest in Israel" in youtube)...Israel developed the disk on key, pentium 4 and others, the sim card and many other products you use daily. But what do you know, you live in Great Britan, all the rest are small.
What year are you dating that from? I seem to recall quite a large series of problems called "The Crusades" and a big German/Austrian/Turkish/Arab/Dominion thing at the very least, just off the top of my head. Plenty went on, it seems.
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March 12, 2010 by politicaltheatrics
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The original article was translated from Arabic thus the name of Mr.Creveld was lost in translation. I thank all the readers who corrected this error.
Noted Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld stated that Israel could find itself one day forced to exterminate the European continent using all kinds of weapons including its nuclear arsenal if it felt its demise neared, stressing that Israel also considers Europe a hostile target.
This came in a press interview broadcast by the seventh Hebrew radio and was translated on Wednesday into Arabic by the press information analysis and study center.
“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital,” Creveld said, adding that most of the European capitals would become preferred targets for the Israeli air force.
The Israeli historian reiterated Israel’s ability to destroy the whole world whenever it felt its existence would be doomed to extinction.
As for the Palestinians, the historian said that Israel at the present time pursues a specific strategy based on mass deportation of the Palestinian people and has intentions to expel all Palestinians without exception, but it is awaiting the right moment to take this step.
“Two years ago, there was only seven to eight percent of the Israelis believing in this solution towards the Palestinians and just two months ago this percentage rose amongst the Israelis to 33 percent, but today, according to a survey conducted by Gallup institute, this figure surged to 55 percent,” he noted.
The historian highlighted that Israel must take advantage of any incident that would give it a golden opportunity to expel the Palestinians as happened in Deir Yassin massacre in 1948.
Replying to a question whether Israel does not have fears of being classified as a criminal state if it expelled Palestinians, he said, “Israel is a state that does not care about what others say about it and you must remember the saying of former defense minister Moshe Dayan when he said that ‘Israel must always act as a wild dog because it should be dangerous in the eyes of others, rather than be harmed.’”
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When I read drivel like the above I just want to vomit all over the jerk who wrote it.
It is good, however, not to surpress it because it is better to expose the belly of the beast.
I sincerely worry about those who expect Terrorist Eliminationalist regimes to spare them after capture, all the while pleading for their lives and insisting how sympathetic they were to anti Israeli governments in the |Middle East. These regimes espouse a Culture of Death. Any Western extremists must prove their loyalty by laying down their life for the regime. And if not, they are killed anyway. No Westerner is trusted. Either way, they are dead.
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Google this reyvun: Middle East's First Computer Named History Milestone (in 1954!), or take a look at the most acclaimed university ranking (AWRU) by field and in general. That's will give you the tip of the tip of the iceberg. Anyway you stupid f**k, Israel have drilled 100 of its jet fighters flying from Israel to Gibraltar, 3800 km each direction, accompanied with eight of the Israeli air force Boeing 737 refuleres.
The Israeli air force is better equipped than the RAF even if somewhat smaller, and its pilots are ranked by many as world best. They bit the German Luftwaffa in a common drill over Italy 200:0 (! !!) and the USA air force in "red flag" 220:20(! !!). The only engagment between the Red Army air force and western air force after WWII was in 1973, during Yom Kippur war, 5 Russian Migs from elite figther squardons which came to help the Arabs were on the ground in less than 2 minutes after the engagment started, the Kremlin immediately called its squardons back, with no losts from the Israeli side.
The Israeli electronic warfare abilities ranked 1 in the world, with the ability to disable almost any defensive system. The Israeli Jericho missiles are located in at least 3 ground bases, 2 of these, at least, can absorb full and direct nuclear hit and to remain 100% functional, according to the Russian inteligence, as well as the CIA. Israel have at least 25 rail car launchers at one base, as well as Silos, and about 20 Silos in the other, much information about the third is not available. Israel also have its advanced subs with long range cruise missiles, each sub has 12 of these, which make 60 underwater nuclear warheads in total. The Jericho 3 can hit 3 different targets. Only 30-50 bombs are needed to wipe out Europe, nothing more. Israel can do it easily.
But we are not f*****g ret*d, this is our Samson option, as Professor Arnest David Bergman, the Father of the Israeli nuclear program, once sad to a banch of smuggy German scientists: "We remember who you are, next time you try, we will take you all with us". So who is in danger? You are, if you don't get over your anti semitic feeling, and if you don't enternalize that we can't be wiped out, and you try to do so, we will try too, and then we will see if any of your rant hold water.
A Samson Plan is NOT a plan to immediately attack Europe or anywhere else. I congratulate the Israelis for having such a plan. The last time it was Water. Next time it will be Fire. Think of the Samson Plan as the Jewish Doomsday Machine.
Here is the bottom line: Don't f**k around with the Jews.
ruveyn
Here is the bottom line: Don't f**k around with the Jews.
ruveyn
The problem is that there is no line of reasonable dialogue due to all the past histories of involved parties relating to Israel and the problems they have over there.
It's still pretty funny that some idiots think they're safer having formed their own country surrounded by people pissed off that they (the now-Israelis) have formed a country in their (the current Palestinians) former lands. World Jewry would be safer as American citizens than as Israelis. And, if it were up to me, everyone would be invited over here. If the radicals in the middle east have a problem at that point, they can (and will) get f****d.
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Here is the bottom line: Don't f**k around with the Jews.
ruveyn
The problem is that there is no line of reasonable dialogue due to all the past histories of involved parties relating to Israel and the problems they have over there.
It's still pretty funny that some idiots think they're safer having formed their own country surrounded by people pissed off that they (the now-Israelis) have formed a country in their (the current Palestinians) former lands. World Jewry would be safer as American citizens than as Israelis. And, if it were up to me, everyone would be invited over here. If the radicals in the middle east have a problem at that point, they can (and will) get f****.
Yoo hoo. There are more Jews in the U.S. than in Israel. We have our bets thoroughly hedged.
ruveyn
Here is the bottom line: Don't f**k around with the Jews.
ruveyn
The problem is that there is no line of reasonable dialogue due to all the past histories of involved parties relating to Israel and the problems they have over there.
It's still pretty funny that some idiots think they're safer having formed their own country surrounded by people pissed off that they (the now-Israelis) have formed a country in their (the current Palestinians) former lands. World Jewry would be safer as American citizens than as Israelis. And, if it were up to me, everyone would be invited over here. If the radicals in the middle east have a problem at that point, they can (and will) get f****.
Yoo hoo. There are more Jews in the U.S. than in Israel. We have our bets thoroughly hedged.
ruveyn
My issue there is the conflict of interests problem. Specifically that created by dual citizens of both countries. Such an issue is a fairly modern thing and there are pretty specific problems that come as a result of it. I'm always getting the impression that Israel does more antagonizing in the region than should be put on our responsibility as Americans. The human rights issues, mainly, and the resulting blowback from those poor choices.
I'm left to wonder if we would make the decisions in our dealings with Israel and when they commit such acts if there wasn't such a strong dual citizen presence and such a strong presence from AIPAC. Maybe make a more levelheaded decision rather than to protect Israel as our spoiled international child.
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We in Israel would be more than happy to get all our Jewish brothers back in Israel, you better take a real look at the contribution Jews make for American science, economy, weapon industry and even in the military. Take the Jews out of USA and she cease being world number one super power. It's like that during all history, Jews expailed from Spain, after they consist its elite, Spain collapsed. Jews had no other choice but to run out of Europe and Germany stoped from being World's number 1 scientific and cultural power. And yes, those Jews built the American neuclear program.
Now, as for Israel, its not an elephant in a china store. The all region is boiling, Israel stand between Islamic extremist and there dream. You can't see it, maybe because of the strange mix of your Jew hatred, or at least believing in some of the conspiracy tehories regarding them, and the relatively peaceful area and life you live in.
You oversimplfied things, abndon the Jewish state will not improve USA standing. But I hope that at least it will drive the nearly 6 million Jews live in the states to immigrate to Israel. We did a lot without them, we will do ten times more with them.
While Jews from all over the world share similar genetics in a way that show they belong to the same people, Palestinian not. While the first documented time the name Jewish was used is about 4000 ago, on an Egyptian papirus (Hivro, Like Ivry (Jewish in Biblical Hebrew) or like Hevrone in Italian and so forth) there is no use in the term "Palestinian" previouesly to 1920, and it become regular term with nationalistic meaning only since 1964.
The Palestinian are a mix of people from all muslim countries and Arabs of different religious background (different kinds of Christians, those are minority however, and different, and opponent, kinds of Muslims). There history in the region is dated no longer than 200 years back from now in 99% of the cases, infact, most came to Israel as seasonal workers who serve rich Arabs who made their annual vacation in Israel, then the British Mandat of Palastine or part of the Otoman empire. The source of the Name Palestine is from the Biblical people of Plishtim, which were according to hard history, of what it today Greek origin-the name mean invador, because they invide Israel and ancient Jews had many wars with those. Rome forced the Name on Israel after the revolts against the Roman occupation.
As a vast majority in their land, Jews have history of about 1500 years or more. Even after exile, many places in Israel remain with Jewish majority untill the 14 CE and according to the British survey in 1920's, this kind of majority was evident in many places also back then.
When Jews massively start returning their historical homeland they find wilderness and very very often and clearly mostly unpopulated, as is well documented in earlier writings of European and American very very famous travlers (like Mark Twain in The Innocents Abroad). Radical Palestinian intellectuals like Azmi Bashare sad thmeslves that there is no Palestinian people (although he called himself Palestinian) and that Israel teritories are part of greater Syria (never been) and that there is only Arabic identity, the Palestinian one is mainly an identity that depend on the existence of Jews in Israel, it's a political identity.
We have the obvious right for self definition and for our land. Arabs have came to the region only as late as 800 CE, after Islamic conqures started. The original inahbitants of the Region are all spokers of northwest Semitic languages (while Arabic is southern one) like Phenocians and Hebrews (Jews).
As I sad, we are not the problem-at most only an accelarator. And the west is the one to give power to this fanatics thanks to its being greedy. Arabs can do very little on their own, they worth nothing without someone selling them weapon and technology.
