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23 Jun 2010, 11:02 am

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2 Timothy 3

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All Scripture is inspired by God, and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living.


Congratulations, now you have quoted from a letter of Paul. Would you like to continue?



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23 Jun 2010, 1:50 pm

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I'm through with feeding you.


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Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! I was hungry but you would not feed me.



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23 Jun 2010, 2:50 pm

pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I'm through with feeding you.


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Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! I was hungry but you would not feed me.


Very well then:



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Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual will share in God's kingdom.


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The Law was written for people who are sexual perverts or who live as homosexuals or are kidnappers or liars or won't tell the truth in court. It is for anything else that opposes the correct teaching of the good news that the glorious and wonderful God has given me.



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"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."


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Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.


the author of Hebrews wrote:
...it is impossible for God to lie...


Various translations of the same passage in Leviticus 18:22

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You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.


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Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.


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You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.


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Don't have sex with a man as one does with a woman. That is abhorrent.


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Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.


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You must not have sexual relations with a man as you would a woman. That is a sin to be hated.


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Never have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman. It is disgusting.


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Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination.


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It is disgusting for a man to have sex with another man.



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23 Jun 2010, 2:52 pm

Those should be for a thread on homosexuality.



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23 Jun 2010, 3:05 pm

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Those should be for a thread on homosexuality.


You asked for a rebuke, and this is on an issue of immorality which you have supported, so there is your rebuke in quotations.

You asked, I gave. Also, you condemned me for not feeding your trolling behavior, do you like to condemn often or is it just me that you have a grudge against?

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Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.


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For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.



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23 Jun 2010, 3:21 pm

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As I understand things, Jesus told his followers always to turn the other cheek. It someone mugged you and tried to steal your coat, give him your shirt as well. If a soldier, terrorist or other bully forced you to carry his stuff for him for a mile, go ahead and carry it for two miles.


Good god, really? You really believe that? Basically you're saying Christians are p*****s. All that passage in the Bible is referring to is when someone is persecuting you because of your faith, not if someone is randomly kicking your balls. There's a HUGE difference. You have the right to defend yourself, your family and your property.


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23 Jun 2010, 3:23 pm

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Good god, really? You really believe that? Basically you're saying Christians are p*****s. All that passage in the Bible is referring to is when someone is persecuting you because of your faith, not if someone is kicking your balls. You have the right to defend yourself, your family and your property.

Where in the Bible does it say all of that?



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23 Jun 2010, 3:25 pm

Lecks wrote:
kxmode wrote:
Good god, really? You really believe that? Basically you're saying Christians are p*****s. All that passage in the Bible is referring to is when someone is persecuting you because of your faith, not if someone is kicking your balls. You have the right to defend yourself, your family and your property.

Where in the Bible does it say all of that?


Matthew, from during Christ's sermon on the mountain, chapters 5 through 7 about. An oft quote-mined region of the Bible by liberals, especially for the "judge not lest thee be judged" portion which is always truncated and never interpreted in accord with the context of the rest of the Bible.



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23 Jun 2010, 3:33 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Lecks wrote:
kxmode wrote:
Good god, really? You really believe that? Basically you're saying Christians are p*****s. All that passage in the Bible is referring to is when someone is persecuting you because of your faith, not if someone is kicking your balls. You have the right to defend yourself, your family and your property.

Where in the Bible does it say all of that?


Matthew, from during Christ's sermon on the mountain, chapters 5 through 7 about. An oft quote-mined region of the Bible by liberals, especially for the "judge not lest thee be judged" portion which is always truncated and never interpreted in accord with the context of the rest of the Bible.

So there is a way to properly interpret the Bible, or at least some context that must be adhered to?



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23 Jun 2010, 3:43 pm

Lecks wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Lecks wrote:
kxmode wrote:
Good god, really? You really believe that? Basically you're saying Christians are p*****s. All that passage in the Bible is referring to is when someone is persecuting you because of your faith, not if someone is kicking your balls. You have the right to defend yourself, your family and your property.

Where in the Bible does it say all of that?


Matthew, from during Christ's sermon on the mountain, chapters 5 through 7 about. An oft quote-mined region of the Bible by liberals, especially for the "judge not lest thee be judged" portion which is always truncated and never interpreted in accord with the context of the rest of the Bible.

So there is a way to properly interpret the Bible, or at least some context that must be adhered to?


Starting with the complete context of the passage, meaning the surrounding text, type of literature, who the speaker is, who the audience is, etc. Also, a method of interpreting scripture that I heard was related to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone) is that if you have interpretations of different passages which contradict each other, then it is not the passages but instead one's interpretation that is incorrect.



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23 Jun 2010, 3:59 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Also, a method of interpreting scripture that I heard was related to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone) is that if you have interpretations of different passages which contradict each other, then it is not the passages but instead one's interpretation that is incorrect.

Problem is, that makes the Bible itself, unfalsifiable.


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23 Jun 2010, 4:08 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Also, a method of interpreting scripture that I heard was related to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone) is that if you have interpretations of different passages which contradict each other, then it is not the passages but instead one's interpretation that is incorrect.

Problem is, that makes the Bible itself, unfalsifiable.


Not quite, as it is a matter of internal consistency being dealt here with. Sola Scriptura in general may have such implication, but when dealing with conflicting interpretations of passages then one or more of the interpretations is wrong. Such error in interpretation would need to be located for internal consistency of the set of interpretations one has. It is similar to reading something that has a spelling error and assuming that another word was intend in lieu for the sake of the consistency of whatever letter or document being read.



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23 Jun 2010, 5:05 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Those should be for a thread on homosexuality.


You asked for a rebuke, and this is on an issue of immorality which you have supported, so there is your rebuke in quotations.



Oh, okay. I didn't realize that I was supportive of homosexuality. But, so long as a retort is in order, here is what David had to say about his good buddy Jonathan:

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very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.


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the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David.....Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments...



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23 Jun 2010, 5:42 pm

pandabear wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Those should be for a thread on homosexuality.


You asked for a rebuke, and this is on an issue of immorality which you have supported, so there is your rebuke in quotations.



Oh, okay. I didn't realize that I was supportive of homosexuality. But, so long as a retort is in order, here is what David had to say about his good buddy Jonathan:

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very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.


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the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David.....Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments...


And even if that were an example of homosexuality it would prove nothing in regard to God's will. But if you wish to make a moral argument upon the basis of the actions of people in the past then also,

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Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands.


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And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth. So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David. Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. And when the Philistines saw their champion was dead, they fled.


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So David and his men went to Keilah, and fought with the Philistines, and brought away their cattle, and smote them with a great slaughter. So David saved the inhabitants of Keilah.


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1Sa 30:1-19
(1) And it came to pass, when David and his men were come to Ziklag on the third day, that the Amalekites had invaded the south, and Ziklag, and smitten Ziklag, and burned it with fire;
(2) And had taken the women captives, that were therein: they slew not any, either great or small, but carried them away, and went on their way.
(3) So David and his men came to the city, and, behold, it was burned with fire; and their wives, and their sons, and their daughters, were taken captives.
(4) Then David and the people that were with him lifted up their voice and wept, until they had no more power to weep.
(5) And David's two wives were taken captives, Ahinoam the Jezreelitess, and Abigail the wife of Nabal the Carmelite.
(6) And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his God.
(7) And David said to Abiathar the priest, Ahimelech's son, I pray thee, bring me hither the ephod. And Abiathar brought thither the ephod to David.
(8) And David enquired at the LORD, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
(9) So David went, he and the six hundred men that were with him, and came to the brook Besor, where those that were left behind stayed.
(10) But David pursued, he and four hundred men: for two hundred abode behind, which were so faint that they could not go over the brook Besor.
(11) And they found an Egyptian in the field, and brought him to David, and gave him bread, and he did eat; and they made him drink water;
(12) And they gave him a piece of a cake of figs, and two clusters of raisins: and when he had eaten, his spirit came again to him: for he had eaten no bread, nor drunk any water, three days and three nights.
(13) And David said unto him, To whom belongest thou? and whence art thou? And he said, I am a young man of Egypt, servant to an Amalekite; and my master left me, because three days agone I fell sick.
(14) We made an invasion upon the south of the Cherethites, and upon the coast which belongeth to Judah, and upon the south of Caleb; and we burned Ziklag with fire.
(15) And David said to him, Canst thou bring me down to this company? And he said, Swear unto me by God, that thou wilt neither kill me, nor deliver me into the hands of my master, and I will bring thee down to this company.
(16) And when he had brought him down, behold, they were spread abroad upon all the earth, eating and drinking, and dancing, because of all the great spoil that they had taken out of the land of the Philistines, and out of the land of Judah.
(17) And David smote them from the twilight even unto the evening of the next day: and there escaped not a man of them, save four hundred young men, which rode upon camels, and fled.
(18) And David recovered all that the Amalekites had carried away: and David rescued his two wives.
(19) And there was nothing lacking to them, neither small nor great, neither sons nor daughters, neither spoil, nor any thing that they had taken to them: David recovered all.


Et Cetera.



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23 Jun 2010, 7:46 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkHejq-EpDM&feature=fvst[/youtube]



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24 Jun 2010, 6:47 am

And now for something equally valid in favor of violence:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwyNPo5lE-Y[/youtube]