The latest Wikileaks drop

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Eh that's a little too tinfoil hat for my tastes. While I do think they will try to push more internet regulation because of this I don't think this is some crazy CIA/Mossad/NWO conspiracy. They would of pushed for it regardless and wouldn't of needed to expose "sensitive" documents and make themselves look like incompetent liars. Most sheep would of fell in line just by playing up terrorists organizing online, the stealing of supposed "intellectual property" from poor artists, and for goodness sake think of the children with all those child predators online.

Most of the people I see harping that this as a conspiracy have an agenda of their own and are disappointed that it didn't further it specifically the anti-Israel folks. The leaks haven't said anything particularly damning about Israel so obviously it's a Mossad black op.

They'll definitely try to use this as justification to "regulate" the internet tho. Rahm Emanuel's quote "Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before" comes to mind.

I don't think the CIA or any other traditional intelligence organization is involved, I think the leak came from the White House and that's why it took over 6 monthes for them to actually respond. They were busy covering their tracks.

It may just be I'm being overly cynical, but the idea fits.

The leaks will ultimately end with at least egg all over the CIA's face if not worse for them. I really wouldn't be surprised if the rape allegations were created by the CIA. It's their style: discredit and destroy reputations. Reminds me of the dirty tricks COINTELPRO pulled on the Black Panthers during the 60s and into the 70s.

I think he would prefer embarassment and eventually clearing his name to being hit by a car somewhere or winding up knifed in an alley KGB style.

But I honestly think this guy is being used in all of this in order to further some other agenda.

The KGB prefers covert poisonings.

Saying it's from the White House or some shadowy NWO figure like George Soros, which is where I think you are going with this as I saw Glenn Beck did a few days ago, doesn't change the fact that a conspiracy would be illogical since they don't even need one to push internet regulation. It's pretty clear the American people will submit to anything if they think it's for their safety and it's to combat those evil terrorists as evidence by porno xray scanners and molestation the TSA is doing. I think you are severely overestimating the idiots we have in charge here.

I'm with Jacoby. It seems unlikely that this is a masive conspiracy. Manning may have been a lowly private, but he was also an intelligence analyst, so he had access to a lot of classified information that a typical private wouldn't, and probably the know-how to get at some information he wasn't supposed to see.

Even after the negotiations are over and settled? This is where I see temporary non-disclosure as being completely justifiable.


Individual's personal details should be protected under applicable privacy laws. I am thinking more in regards to general government documents, or in some cases documents relating to elected public officials (who largely forfeit their privacy by getting involved in politics).

Take the Wikileaks documents. A number of them demonstrate what is indisputably criminal behavior. Much of it was unsurprising, but these documents provide a lot of evidence and proof of specific criminal acts. Allowing the government unilateral control over what documents it releases, and the extent to which they are censored pre-release, is tantamount to giving the defendant in a murder case sole discretion over what evidence will be allowed in court. It's preposterous and it makes a mockery of any claims that we have accountability in government.

Ah, poor Utchenko (or however his name is spelled). The KGB really messed up his life. =/ I reckon he needs to be followed by someone who can activate the machine which injects him the antidote if the poison's symptoms come back. =/ I saw a documentary on his case. =.= And apparently, the USA recruited the guy who obviously manned the poison department he was working for under the KGB. <.<

Meh, i feel that Canada is becoming uncomfortably close to the authoritarian ways of the Americans these past years. =.= Too bad that we can't switch have limited time in office like the USA does. <.<

I personnally think we should inquire on people who actually want wikileaks to be shut down... There's no smoke without fire, so the saying goes...

I think you're severely underestimating them.

It doesn't do anything. They control the elections.

So being able to control the bile some far-right propoganda organ spits out outweighs having to suffer humilliation over the fact your State Department has ordered espionage against various UN officials?

I'd rather have evil schemers leading our countries than stupid schemers , but that's just me.

I've been reading many cables and in some you really get to face palm. Every single cable has US biases (of course) and the ambassador/officer writing them sounds as truly believing they are the good guys. Unfortunately, it gets dissonant sometimes, I mean look at this:

I mean look at this:

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2008/11/08LAPAZ2458.html

"ooh GOB keeps accusing us of trying to reunite the opposition" Which makes the US embassy sound as the victim, until you notice that in fact, the embassy actually was doing it. IN THE VERY SAME CABLE!

I mean seriously , isn't it common for an embassy to have meetings with opposition strategists in regards about how to win elections?

There is also how the cables downright lie sometimes.
This bugs me because I have family in Bolivia. It is a downright , utter lie. Although Morales was part of the groups that blocked the city. The protest had nothing to do about Morales, but about the oil giants wanting to sell Bolivian gas to US through Chile and getting a huge percentage of the profit. This cable makes it sound as if the protest was about making Morales president or some other made up thing :/

I hate Evo's government's guts. As you may have noticed although left-ish I am also very pro human and civil rights which is something that Evo's government sucks at. But I do not like it when US tries to "fix" other countries instead of letting themselves do it, specially not the one I used to live in...



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We have basically ALL of US politicians panicking about this. The dems in power are very angry. Just recently Palin asked to charge Assange for treason (probably she never stop to think whether you can prosecute a Swede for treason against the US). So far Ron Paul seems to be the most high profile US politician to actually support wikileaks. And he is actually pretty low-profile...

http://wikileaks.ch/articles/2010/PayPa ... tions.html

I am not nearly as impressed about the stuff wikileaks is leaking directly as I am about what the situation is uncovering indirectly. Apparently , the US government has utter control over the internet and if they wish they can DDOS you, cut your domain out, make US companies unwilling to host you, and shut down your paypal donations.

Not to change the subject but I never understood the lefts hatred of Drudge. The site just likes news stories from from the most part reputable news sources.



Well, to be fair, stupidity doesn't make them any less evil but I'd prefer them stupid because it'll be a lot easier to vanquish these people when the time comes.

I wouldn't call Ron Paul "low-profile". Maybe I'm a bit bias on this point but I'd say he's the probably the biggest independent voice in this country right now. I hope the anti-war/US foreign policy folks on the left who have been AWOL since Obama became president remember this in 2012.

The furor over these diplomatic cable leaks are pretty funny since these don't put anyone in danger despite their claims. It only exposes these criminals for the liars they are.

At least two lives have been endangered by the leaked documents: Bradley Mannings' life, and Julian Assange's life.

I'm mostly a lefty and I don't hate Drudge. He provides more news from the right than from the left, but that's a very different thing from slanting the news and molding it into an agenda - which he does not do (not to my knowledge). I'd prefer to see a little more balance on his site, but overall, he's ok in my book.