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28 Jan 2011, 7:40 pm

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Yes it is a contradiction. If you rest, and are refreshed that means you are tired.
because if you never grow faint or weary you wouldnt need to rest



Not at all. Finishing a task with which one is satisfied can leave one uplifted and happy. Fatigue is not necessarily a factor.

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28 Jan 2011, 7:41 pm

Oh, I almost forgot...

Your turn.

And please refrain from ad hominem. Ruveyn has a THOROUGH knowledge of the OT and knows what he's talking about. He and I may disagree on the TNKH, but his perspective is valuable. He is correct that the TNKH was written for the Jews and not the Gentiles. IF he's being a snob, it's not related to what he knows about the OT.



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28 Jan 2011, 7:43 pm

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Oh, I almost forgot...

Your turn.

And please refrain from ad hominem. Ruveyn has a THOROUGH knowledge of the OT and knows what he's talking about. He and I may disagree on the TNHK, but his perspective is valuable. He is correct that the TNHK was written for the Jews and not the Gentiles. IF he's being a snob, it's not related to what he knows about the OT.


Being Chosen sometimes goes to one's head. It shouldn't but sometimes it does.

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28 Jan 2011, 7:43 pm

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Yes it is a contradiction. If you rest, and are refreshed that means you are tired.
because if you never grow faint or weary you wouldnt need to rest

Not at all. Finishing a task with which one is satisfied can leave one uplifted and happy. Fatigue is not necessarily a factor.
So did god tell you this himself. how do you know?


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28 Jan 2011, 7:46 pm

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IF he's being a snob, it's not related to what he knows about the OT.
He is being a snob. the hebrew bible isnt for the likes of us gentiles, well i really dont have a problem with that anyways just pointing out why I dislike anyone whos religious.

they think there the best thing since sliced bread


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28 Jan 2011, 8:26 pm

richardbenson wrote:
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IF he's being a snob, it's not related to what he knows about the OT.
He is being a snob. the hebrew bible isnt for the likes of us gentiles, well i really dont have a problem with that anyways just pointing out why I dislike anyone whos religious.

they think there the best thing since sliced bread



ruveyn is correct. dry and dispassionate, but correct. without understanding the language and the culture, the translation must fail. it is poetry without context. gibberish made of intelligible statements.

you should go back to where you started. i warned you not to fall for the trick question. notice the lack of response to my last post. god resting and never needing to rest isn't a contradiction. god loving everyone and inventing hell, that's a contradiction. god telling you to honor your mother and father, and jesus telling you to hate them. that's a contradiction. there are plenty of hilarious "word" contradictions in the bible, but you won't get anywhere with someone who is committed to their own self-delusion by playing word games (though they won't offer much better, as reply. note the harping on your use of the word "see").

but that's the thing. you're arguing with people who believe in magic (and ruveyn, with whom you are arguing ancient semitic semantics). you can't argue reality with someone who believes in magic. you can have some interesting conversations about astronomy with an astrologer, you can discuss anatomy with a chiropractor, and you can ask a young earth creationist about the periodic table, but you can't expect them to refrain from making sh** up when they run out of real information or when real information contradicts their convictions. you're arguing reality with people who believe in tarot cards and quija boards (and ruveyn, with whom you are arguing ancient semitic semantics).


but with a hilariously huge grin on my face, i wish you the best of luck! :) :D :lol:


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28 Jan 2011, 8:42 pm

richardbenson wrote:
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IF he's being a snob, it's not related to what he knows about the OT.
He is being a snob. the hebrew bible isnt for the likes of us gentiles, well i really dont have a problem with that anyways just pointing out why I dislike anyone whos religious.

they think there the best thing since sliced bread

I don't think that way, and I'm a religious person. And I'm fairly certain ruveyn's attitude is not due to religious fervor. Our views on what the Bible means are in almost total opposition. We do agree, for the MOST part, on what the Bible actually SAYS, though. Where we disagree on content is mostly where the particular words chosen in translation--while valid--reflect Christology. I believe Y'shua is ha-Mashiah, so naturally I have no objections. Ruveyn does NOT believe and holds other views of the OT that I do not share. But aside from very minor disagreements, we won't really argue on what it says. Because of ruveyn's unique perspective, I delight in every little scrap he might happen to throw my way.



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28 Jan 2011, 8:45 pm

Haha, yeah your probably right. Its pointless arguing with someone who's looking at whatever through a bias

I just get caught up in the moment and usually get tunnel vision. :P

As far as the translation being wrong, thats possible. But most churches, or sermons I've seen on TV have never said, that god rested because he was thrilled and upbeat. I mean FFS, your not supose to do any work on the sabbath, because thats when suposidly god took the day off

I'm guessing because he was tired, never heard of a guy taking a day off because he was full of energy :lol:


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28 Jan 2011, 8:55 pm

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Haha, yeah your probably right. Its pointless arguing with someone who's looking at whatever through a bias

I just get caught up in the moment and usually get tunnel vision. :P

As far as the translation being wrong, thats possible. But most churches, or sermons I've seen on TV have never said, that god rested because he was thrilled and upbeat. I mean FFS, your not supose to do any work on the sabbath, because thats when suposidly god took the day off

I'm guessing because he was tired, never heard of a guy taking a day off because he was full of energy :lol:



it's the same reason santa only works one night a year. he works so hard, he has to take a 364 day break.

well, maybe it's not exactly the same, but arguing about it sure is. i was sincere in my encouragement.



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28 Jan 2011, 9:01 pm

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i was sincere in my encouragement.
understood. Hey i've spotted a Angel in this topic, AngelRho that is. did anyone else catch a glimpse? :wink:

oh baby. 8)


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28 Jan 2011, 9:05 pm

richardbenson wrote:
Haha, yeah your probably right. Its pointless arguing with someone who's looking at whatever through a bias

I just get caught up in the moment and usually get tunnel vision. :P

As far as the translation being wrong, thats possible. But most churches, or sermons I've seen on TV have never said, that god rested because he was thrilled and upbeat. I mean FFS, your not supose to do any work on the sabbath, because thats when suposidly god took the day off

I'm guessing because he was tired, never heard of a guy taking a day off because he was full of energy :lol:

What bias? It's difficult to argue many apparent contradictions without begging the question. You don't realize it, but what you're basically saying is that "Because the Bible is contradictory, it contradicts itself." You haven't considered that the "contradictions" aren't really contradictions at all. I've tried to be as brief as I can, which is something I find difficult to do--and I'm not even really a Bible scholar. But I've solved a contradiction that you picked, and I picked one myself. By all means, pick another and we can keep going. Oh, I will be traveling with my family tomorrow to visit a sick relative and will be inundated with "work" on Sunday. Just saying that tomorrow morning will be the last chance I have to respond for a while. But by all means feel free to try another contradiction and I'll even reply with my own.

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29 Jan 2011, 9:02 am

ruveyn wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Oh, I almost forgot...

Your turn.

And please refrain from ad hominem. Ruveyn has a THOROUGH knowledge of the OT and knows what he's talking about. He and I may disagree on the TNHK, but his perspective is valuable. He is correct that the TNHK was written for the Jews and not the Gentiles. IF he's being a snob, it's not related to what he knows about the OT.


Being Chosen sometimes goes to one's head. It shouldn't but sometimes it does.

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It seems to do quite a few things to your brains since you profess atheism.



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29 Jan 2011, 9:16 am

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It seems to do quite a few things to your brains since you profess atheism.

Indeed. Some of the most brilliant minds in history were Jews.



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29 Jan 2011, 9:21 am

Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Oh, I almost forgot...

Your turn.

And please refrain from ad hominem. Ruveyn has a THOROUGH knowledge of the OT and knows what he's talking about. He and I may disagree on the TNHK, but his perspective is valuable. He is correct that the TNHK was written for the Jews and not the Gentiles. IF he's being a snob, it's not related to what he knows about the OT.


Being Chosen sometimes goes to one's head. It shouldn't but sometimes it does.

ruveyn


It seems to do quite a few things to your brains since you profess atheism.


Actually, I don't. The "god" of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, I believe, were extra-terrestrials (as natural as snow) who were busy violating the Prime Directive. Getting the Sea of Reeds to part was no mean technological feat.

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29 Jan 2011, 9:33 am

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It seems to do quite a few things to your brains since you profess atheism.

Indeed. Some of the most brilliant minds in history were Jews.


And indeed a few Greeks and Chinese and people from India seem to have done a bit of thinking as well without puffing themselves up as being chosen by a deity.



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29 Jan 2011, 9:35 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Oh, I almost forgot...

Your turn.

And please refrain from ad hominem. Ruveyn has a THOROUGH knowledge of the OT and knows what he's talking about. He and I may disagree on the TNHK, but his perspective is valuable. He is correct that the TNHK was written for the Jews and not the Gentiles. IF he's being a snob, it's not related to what he knows about the OT.


Being Chosen sometimes goes to one's head. It shouldn't but sometimes it does.

ruveyn


It seems to do quite a few things to your brains since you profess atheism.


Actually, I don't. The "god" of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, I believe, were extra-terrestrials (as natural as snow) who were busy violating the Prime Directive. Getting the Sea of Reeds to part was no mean technological feat.

ruveyn


I wonder if groveling before aliens qualifies you as being non-religious.