A Message for Jews

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And don't leave out gevalt! for the rest of us.

ruveyn

A by PPR rare degree unanimity.

To add to your comments...

Romans 5:12 reads: "That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." Every human is created from imperfect male and female parents. We inherited Adam's sin because our parents did, and their parents did, and so on all the way back to Adam. Think of sin as a perpetual, degenerative disease that is passed on from parent to child. Because Jesus was divinely created by God and incubated in the womb of Mary he was born a perfect human being, free of the Adam's sin. In other words Jesus would have never grown old and died. However his purpose for coming to earth wasn't to have a family and produce super human offspring. His purpose was "to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many” and "for this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone that is on the side of the truth listens to my voice." (Matthew 20:28; John 18:37)



Think about what the Devil offered Jesus Christ. It was “all the kingdoms of the world.” Did all these worldly governments really belong to the Devil? Yes, for how else could he have offered them to Jesus? Jesus did not deny that they were Satan’s, which he would have done if Satan did not own them. Satan is really the unseen ruler of all the nations of the world! The Bible plainly says: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) In fact God’s Word calls Satan “the god of this system of things.”—2 Corinthians 4:4.



Jesus was born a human and as such required food and water to live just like any other human.



He prayed to his father IN the heavens. He prayed to Jehovah God. So while Jesus is a god, or a strong one, he is NOT Almighty God. Only Jehovah God is almighty, and Jesus is subject to him.

I don't want to stand in the way of kxmode's right to believe as he wishes. Far be it from me to call into question either the sincerity or the veracity of his beliefs.

But where is the corresponding respect from him?

This kind of message is not an expression of faith. It is not the exercise of religious freedom. It is patronizing and insulting. Is this how you wish others to treat you kxmode? Do you wish others to berate your beliefs and denigrate your religion? Do you tolerate attacks on Christianity from atheists with the same equanimity that you expect us to receive your "Message for Jews."

This so-called "message" has no place in a civil society. Begone with you.

visagrunt,

I have to give kxmode credit for the fact that ALTHOUGH he propagandizes at an unheard of level and volume, and ALTHOUGH most of what he comes out with is warmed-over authority rather than original thought, and ALTHOUGH he does not really listen very well,

he IS, at LEAST, uniformly polite, non-abusive, not getting personal.

I cannot but wish he would listen and lose that monkey [fine for some purposes, but not suited to the material] and not push his doctrines so much.

But there are those who are much more offensive overall.

From Seth, Noah, Abraham, to King David and Solomon, all the way down to Jesus and his apostles: all are Jewish. Of course I love and respect these men and what they did. How is what I posted disrespectful or insulting? I know Jewish people believe only in the Talmud, but it doesn't negate the fact that the entire Bible, including the Law of Moses, altogether comprise God's Word. The name יהוה that is found in the entire Bible is also the same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. יהוה is the same God who freed the Israelites from Egyptian bondage and slavery. He is same god who established the Mosaic Law, and divinely wrote the entire Bible. I am merely using His Word, the Bible, to help reason.

I don't get involved in responses to attacks on Christianity. I try and peacefully show from the Bible why atheism is something that many people believe because they are disgusted with religious hypocrisy in general. I understand their bitterness. In fact Jesus felt pity for such crowds when he saw that they were "skinned and thrown about" as lost sheep without spiritual shepherds. (Matthew 9:36)

I tried to reason from the Bible with you why Jesus was the messiah. I also tried to reason from the Bible why the Nation of Israel is no longer יהוה's chosen people. This is in no way disrespectful towards Jewish people, it is simply truthful knowledge I found through personal study of the scriptures.

Pointing the way gone topic

Mr. Mode, you made your point and left your literature. Now move on.

That is good news in a way. Being YHWH's Special and Chosen People got us nothing but death and destruction. Some Chosen that is.

ruveyn

Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.

Because it is premised on the notion that Jewish belief is not, in and of itself, sufficient for a meaningful relationship with G-d. The central theme of your posts is that our faith is not as good as it could be because we missed the Messiah. That is both disrespectful and insulting.

The man who comes to your door and says, "you've built your house wrong," may be trying to be helpful, but his good intentions do not excuse his rudeness. He may honestly believe that that house is incorrectly built, he might even believe that it is unsafe. But he, like you, is in no position to judge the worthiness of the house.



But again you, who are not one of us, come among us and purport to point out our ignorance. We have not ignored Christ. We didn't fail to notice his arrival. But we have concluded that he was not the Messiah. Our scholars and our teachers are perfectly capable of interpreting our scriptures, and pointing out to us that which is required from us in order to live a good life.



A fair answer--though again, you presume that you know why "many people believe" in atheism when you have no basis on which to draw such a conclusion.



You are engaged in an exercise of self-deception. You may believe that your words are not disrespectful, but I am here to tell you in no uncertain terms that they are. And what is worse, when you are told that your conduct is disrespectful, you do not have the common decency to apologize, but instead you defend your actions.

I respect your faith. I believe that you hold it truly, and that it will provide you with great succour in times of need. I would never presume to question the rightness of your beliefs, nor the guidance that it provides you in living your daily life.

But I draw a firm line when you presume to call into question my beliefs and the beliefs of my people. It is unasked for and it is unwelcome.

Loving kxmode's newly modified avatar.

It is but a sample of the Gentile Mentality hard at work. In the Land of the Gentiles, the half-wit is King.

ruveyn

We ain't all the same, more's the pity. I for one will get a bit snarky if my beliefs and my kind are poked at in other than a spirit of sincere discussion and inquiry, and my mama did not raise me to do what signifying simians do.

do you know why more Jews don't become christian?

And the full-wit Jew would have it no other way....full power and none of the responsibility!

Never having asked either those who did nor those who did not, I would not hazard a guess except in the privacy of your living room or mine after a good meal.

I have been told [if the source can be trusted] one reason more Christians do not sign onto to Judaism, and frequently applauded it.