21 Mar 2011, 2:54 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
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freedom from religion.
That is the fundamental freedom in a modern society everyone should have.
And not only for atheists is this freedom necessary. Those of us who believe need to be free from beliefs we don't hold to.
And yes, I very much respect atheists right to be free from any and all religion - even mine.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Definitely. The statement 'Freedom of Religion' is taken by some really violently ignorant people to say that Atheists should not get protection as they identify as 'non-religious' and the only way they would be included is to admit they are followers of a religion (
yawns) . Utter garbage. Freedom of and from religion should be the mantra
21 Mar 2011, 3:27 pm
21 Mar 2011, 3:35 pm
21 Mar 2011, 3:50 pm
^ 
*MASSIVE FACEPALM*
Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
21 Mar 2011, 3:53 pm
PM wrote:
^ *MASSIVE FACEPALM*
Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
*MASSIVE FACEPALM* Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
Okay, I'm fine with that as long as you leave me alone with my religious celebrations, etc. For starters the fight against Christmas is rather out of line. I mean seriously, what does that holiday do to offend atheists anyways?
21 Mar 2011, 3:59 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
PM wrote:
^ *MASSIVE FACEPALM*
Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
*MASSIVE FACEPALM* Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
Okay, I'm fine with that as long as you leave me alone with my religious celebrations, etc. For starters the fight against Christmas is rather out of line. I mean seriously, what does that holiday do to offend atheists anyways?
Why do you blame Atheists for that? Do you have any real basis? The only people I have heard complaining about Christmas are fundamentalist Muslims and some extreme Christian sects
I am an Atheist, and I tell people Merry Christmas, and I buy my family and select friends presents. Never has it occurred to me that Christmas is being forced down my throat, participation is entirely by choice. I have always liked Christmas, as the one time of the year I see most of my family
21 Mar 2011, 4:12 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
PM wrote:
^ *MASSIVE FACEPALM*
Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
*MASSIVE FACEPALM* Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
Okay, I'm fine with that as long as you leave me alone with my religious celebrations, etc. For starters the fight against Christmas is rather out of line. I mean seriously, what does that holiday do to offend atheists anyways?
Not to sound off topic here but, The main reason I left the Democratic Party was because they are responsible for the war on religion. The Dems took advantage of the situation of the atheists. What i'm trying to say is, your beef should be with the Dems and the left, not the Atheists.
21 Mar 2011, 4:36 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
PM wrote:
^ *MASSIVE FACEPALM*
Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
*MASSIVE FACEPALM* Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
Okay, I'm fine with that as long as you leave me alone with my religious celebrations, etc. For starters the fight against Christmas is rather out of line. I mean seriously, what does that holiday do to offend atheists anyways?
Why do you blame Atheists for that? Do you have any real basis? The only people I have heard complaining about Christmas are fundamentalist Muslims and some extreme Christian sects
I am an Atheist, and I tell people Merry Christmas, and I buy my family and select friends presents. Never has it occurred to me that Christmas is being forced down my throat, participation is entirely by choice. I have always liked Christmas, as the one time of the year I see most of my family
Well you really haven't been paying much attention, O'Reilly has been following this over at Fox News (normally around December), and when I have backchecked to see if he is telling the truth I found that it was not only true, but it was also Atheists or Atheist Groups behind the suits.
21 Mar 2011, 4:38 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
PM wrote:
^ *MASSIVE FACEPALM*
Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
*MASSIVE FACEPALM* Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
Okay, I'm fine with that as long as you leave me alone with my religious celebrations, etc. For starters the fight against Christmas is rather out of line. I mean seriously, what does that holiday do to offend atheists anyways?
Why do you blame Atheists for that? Do you have any real basis? The only people I have heard complaining about Christmas are fundamentalist Muslims and some extreme Christian sects
I am an Atheist, and I tell people Merry Christmas, and I buy my family and select friends presents. Never has it occurred to me that Christmas is being forced down my throat, participation is entirely by choice. I have always liked Christmas, as the one time of the year I see most of my family
Well you really haven't been paying much attention, O'Reilly has been following this over at Fox News (normally around December), and when I have backchecked to see if he is telling the truth I found that it was not only true, but it was also Atheists or Atheist Groups behind the suits.
Not O'Reilly... sigh
Could you show me who these groups are?
If there are Atheists doing this they are very misguided. In any case Christmas is barely religious to most people
21 Mar 2011, 4:51 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
PM wrote:
^ *MASSIVE FACEPALM*
Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
*MASSIVE FACEPALM* Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
Okay, I'm fine with that as long as you leave me alone with my religious celebrations, etc. For starters the fight against Christmas is rather out of line. I mean seriously, what does that holiday do to offend atheists anyways?
Why do you blame Atheists for that? Do you have any real basis? The only people I have heard complaining about Christmas are fundamentalist Muslims and some extreme Christian sects
I am an Atheist, and I tell people Merry Christmas, and I buy my family and select friends presents. Never has it occurred to me that Christmas is being forced down my throat, participation is entirely by choice. I have always liked Christmas, as the one time of the year I see most of my family
Well you really haven't been paying much attention, O'Reilly has been following this over at Fox News (normally around December), and when I have backchecked to see if he is telling the truth I found that it was not only true, but it was also Atheists or Atheist Groups behind the suits.
Not O'Reilly... sigh
Could you show me who these groups are?
If there are Atheists doing this they are very misguided. In any case Christmas is barely religious to most people
21 Mar 2011, 5:04 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
PM wrote:
^ *MASSIVE FACEPALM*
Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
*MASSIVE FACEPALM* Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
Okay, I'm fine with that as long as you leave me alone with my religious celebrations, etc. For starters the fight against Christmas is rather out of line. I mean seriously, what does that holiday do to offend atheists anyways?
Why do you blame Atheists for that? Do you have any real basis? The only people I have heard complaining about Christmas are fundamentalist Muslims and some extreme Christian sects
I am an Atheist, and I tell people Merry Christmas, and I buy my family and select friends presents. Never has it occurred to me that Christmas is being forced down my throat, participation is entirely by choice. I have always liked Christmas, as the one time of the year I see most of my family
Well you really haven't been paying much attention, O'Reilly has been following this over at Fox News (normally around December), and when I have backchecked to see if he is telling the truth I found that it was not only true, but it was also Atheists or Atheist Groups behind the suits.
Not O'Reilly... sigh
Could you show me who these groups are?
If there are Atheists doing this they are very misguided. In any case Christmas is barely religious to most people
Fast-forward one-hundred years to 1978. The Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) was incorporated in Wisconsin. It is a national organization of "atheists, agnostics and skeptics of any pedigree." Of the 16,000 members of FFRF, 500 are Coloradoans.
Its two-fold goal is to defend separation of church and state and to educate the populace about "nontheism."
What do they do besides put up billboards in Denver?
These are a few things: "Files lawsuits! Publishes the only freethought newspaper in the United States, Freethought Today. Promotes freedom from religion with educational products..."
This same group has filed in court against Colorado's Day of Prayer. Recently they appealed their failed court challenge.
It is interesting that this organization is heavily involved with lawsuits.
In contrast, during the first one-hundred years of the US Constitution, lawsuits against the prevailing Christian practices of days of thanksgiving, chaplaincy or Sunday laws were rare. The prevailing ethos was pro-Protestant. And the laws reflected that ethos.
Today there is no prevailing Protestant ethos. At this rate, the FFRF may become more successful in the future. Perhaps they will follow their predecessors and push to remove church tax-exemptions and the military chaplaincy.
http://www.examiner.com/christian-apolo ... nder=print
I'm not going to go into a list of every single organization, but it does happen.
21 Mar 2011, 5:09 pm
Well, I agree with them that one should be allowed 'Freedom From Religion' but the kind of activism they endorse is very petty
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incorporated in Wisconsin
Ah, that explains it
Even the Atheists of the Mid-west are nutters apparently 
21 Mar 2011, 5:16 pm
They made a good job describing the FFRF in the part you quoted.
It went downhill from there.
Lawsuits. Of course they do lawsuits, and they are entitled to when certain parts of the government fail to respect the freedom of religion parts of the constitution or the ammendments and whathever. The FFRF will issue lawsuits whenever the state is caught breaking this freedom by using tax payer money to promote it. That includes pushing the "In god we trust" motto.
They didn't mention what the "anti-christmas" banners were:
"Reasons greetings" is not an anti-christmas banner, it is an anti-religion banner. Atheist groups are completely entitled to make those banners, just like religious organizations are entitled to make banners promoting their BS. Unlike your original assumption, the FFRF are not issuing lawsuits against the use of the word Christmas, or anything like that. They do use Reason's greetings as a motto for their religious choice.
The one lawsuit that is mentioned in that "article", is not one that has anything to do with christmas, but one against the Colorado day of mandatory prayer - which is state-sponsored religion, and that is against the constitution. Of course, since for some absolutely broken reason they didn't win the lawsuit (a sign of how little the current authorities respect the constitution in contrast to how they love pandering to the Christian majority for votes - they would appeal the court it.
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21 Mar 2011, 5:18 pm
21 Mar 2011, 5:21 pm
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21 Mar 2011, 5:55 pm
PM wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
PM wrote:
^ *MASSIVE FACEPALM*
Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
*MASSIVE FACEPALM* Most of the atheists who want to opress religion are communists. I just want my right to worship nothing just as much as you want your right to worship your god
Okay, I'm fine with that as long as you leave me alone with my religious celebrations, etc. For starters the fight against Christmas is rather out of line. I mean seriously, what does that holiday do to offend atheists anyways?
Not to sound off topic here but, The main reason I left the Democratic Party was because they are responsible for the war on religion. The Dems took advantage of the situation of the atheists. What i'm trying to say is, your beef should be with the Dems and the left, not the Atheists.
Left the Democratic party for being anti-religious, huh?
I am a Democrat, and a practicing Lutheran. I don't see any clash of ideals. Sure, sometimes the left might have gone overboard from time to time defending separation of church and state, but I tend to think these examples are few and far between, and often exaggerated.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
