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08 Apr 2011, 8:49 pm

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A GOP congressman (I do not recall his name at the moment) recently remarked that it was good politics to be unreasonable in negotiations, since doing so has been successful for the GOP. So perhaps you are on to something here.


Was it Mike Pence?

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08 Apr 2011, 11:20 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Orwell wrote:
A GOP congressman (I do not recall his name at the moment) recently remarked that it was good politics to be unreasonable in negotiations, since doing so has been successful for the GOP. So perhaps you are on to something here.


Was it Mike Pence?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ok6PKb-r4[/youtube]

Yes, it was. Thank you.


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08 Apr 2011, 11:38 pm

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A GOP congressman (I do not recall his name at the moment) recently remarked that it was good politics to be unreasonable in negotiations, since doing so has been successful for the GOP. So perhaps you are on to something here. I doubt either party is above sabotaging the smooth functioning of the federal government to score cheap political points.

Have the liberals spent so much time in academic settings or being career politicians that they don't know the basic unwritten business art of driving a hard bargain? :?


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08 Apr 2011, 11:51 pm

John_Browning wrote:
Orwell wrote:
A GOP congressman (I do not recall his name at the moment) recently remarked that it was good politics to be unreasonable in negotiations, since doing so has been successful for the GOP. So perhaps you are on to something here. I doubt either party is above sabotaging the smooth functioning of the federal government to score cheap political points.

Have the liberals spent so much time in academic settings or being career politicians that they don't know the basic unwritten business art of driving a hard bargain? :?

GOP and Democratic politicians have, in general, similar academic and professional backgrounds.


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08 Apr 2011, 11:52 pm

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Have the liberals spent so much time in academic settings or being career politicians that they don't know the basic unwritten business art of driving a hard bargain? :?


I take this as John_Browning's glaring condemnation and critique of the American Association of University Professors for being too concessionary in collective bargaining negotiations with University administrators.


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09 Apr 2011, 12:10 am

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Did you know that Bush's tax cuts actually brought an increase in Government Revenue.

By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson. In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded. In two years, stocks rose 20 percent. In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created. The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.

But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts. From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... l-revenue/


Post hoc ergo ad hoc.

Bush' Tax cuts didn't disappear in 2008. If we can attribute the 2003 boost to them we can also attribute the 2008-> crisis to them as easily.

I finished reading this proposal, and it is kind of fine until the tax cut, a tax cut is completely unjustified when attempting to decrease deficit fantasies like thinking revenue increases because of tax cuts are not going to make it. US is undertaxed as is , and just the claim that loop holes will be closed is not enough. As usual , republicans have something about giving free money to the rich.


We also had the mortgage crisis because Bush wasn't tough enough on the Democrats that were taking money from Fannie/Freddie and pushing reform.