Proposed budget gets a surplus without cutting entitlements

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LKL
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30 Jul 2011, 1:12 am

Honey, are you really asserting that the Economist, The Rolling Stone, and the Washington Post are parroting DNC talking points (about a budget that the DNC isn't even talking about)?
Are you really that incapable of discussing anything that doesn't come from Faux?
Are you really even trying to claim that the economy was good under Bush II?



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30 Jul 2011, 1:20 am

LKL wrote:
Honey, are you really asserting that the Economist, The Rolling Stone, and the Washington Post are parroting DNC talking points (about a budget that the DNC isn't even talking about)?
Are you really that incapable of discussing anything that doesn't come from Faux?
Are you really even trying to claim that the economy was good under Bush II?


When much of the mainstream media has been implicated in Journ'O'list, yeah I think that's a pretty good reason not to trust Rolling Stone, Economist, and Washington Post blindly.

Anyways, my source in this case was the Bureau of Labor Statistics, not Fox News. If you had bothered to click on the link you would have seen that it is a Government web page and there is a title banner across the top.



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30 Jul 2011, 7:28 am

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1. Raising taxes will not help the economy, the only reason Clinton didn't have a full blown depression on his hands was because of the dot com bubble.
Clinton-era taxes were the lowest in the later half of the 20-th century. It is even in Orwell's post, which you quoted. If a full blown depression was going to happen , the reason would seriously not be high taxes.

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2. Our military equipment is getting old,

Dude, you are nuts.
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3. Your so called refutions have been refuted numerous times.

No, they weren't.

There is absolutely no evidence at all that the US having immensely crazy low taxes on the rich helps your economy . In fact, the current low employment is evidence to the contrary.

Maybe if the rich had a reason to invest rather than stay happy knowing that they don't have to pay taxes and that the government will bail them out in case they approach less than 'insane rich' levels...


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4. Bush's tax cuts actually caused an increase in revenue,

No, Bush's extreme tax cuts happened to happen before an increase in revenue and then revenue levels went to normal. And then we had a full blown crisis.


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30 Jul 2011, 8:13 am

Cut our military budget by 60 percent and we will buy some breathing room with no decrease in "security". Eliminate subsidies and entitlements and we will have all the breathing room we need. Regulate the banks and financial institutions sanely and we will have credit, sufficient capital and none of the panic sh*t that caused the late crisis. We will always have recessions, but in the "normal" course of things, recessions should not last more than a year and a half tops. That is just about how long the economy takes to correct itself. The current malaise is do to insane government policy and bogus "bail-outs" which benefit the very people who got us into this mess without promoting employment of the American labor force.

And if we can get rid of the Devil's Meme that leads us to believe that wealth comes out of thin air and we will be just fine. Wealth is created by mental focus, creative flight of thought and just plain hard work.

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30 Jul 2011, 9:43 am

ruveyn wrote:

And if we can get rid of the Devil's Meme that leads us to believe that wealth comes out of thin air and we will be just fine. Wealth is created by mental focus, creative flight of thought and just plain hard work.

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This I can agree with. We need to do something big. We need to aspire again. Everything is all cut, cut, cut, and let the wealthy handle it. What nonsense. The wealthy have no need to aspire. They are quite comfortable.

We, as a country, need to shape some goals other than just fixing our problems - which we've been doing with band-aids anyway. We can embrace new energy sources and technology. There is room for revolutionizing industry and standard practices. Medical advances - why not invest here? We sure have plenty of sick people. There are big things we can do, but it's unpopular to work as a group these days.