The "No Kids Allowed" Movement

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I've got an invite to one of these now. I'm not going. It's somewhat of a hike (different state) so what am I supposed to do - bring a sitter along and rent a room for them to hang out in? Please, I don't really care for uptight, fancy atmospheres anyway.

But about the restaurants, I fully support their right to enact no child policies. If I was to go out for an evening away from the kids, I'd want to be away from kids. It's kind of a no brainer. Kids don't generally enjoy these places anyway. It's not a government law or anything. If an establishment chooses to be kid-friendly, then great. They just might increase their own traffic from the families snubbed at other joints.

This movement can go too far though. I think I saw something not too long ago about airlines banning kids. That's wrong, IMO.

Terrorist attacks using suicide bombers have used children and disabled women in wheelchairs before today.

That depends. I think a 15-year-old 'child' is perfectly capable of understanding that opening fire on innocent people is horrific.

Normal people know the difference between right and wrong by the time they are ten years old. Their self control may leave something to be desired, but they know what is right and what is wrong.

ruveyn

i think children (small children that is (< eight)) should not be allowed in many places.

an extreme example is a tavern that i used to eat my dinner at a few nights per week. it was like a "pub" , and it was not too noisy, and the dining section was called a "tavern", and it had a relatively controlled and tolerable atmosphere. the people who frequented the tavern were generally professionals who were having drinks after work, and young people just mingling and drinking.
it certainly was not crowded or noisy.

then they banned smoking (which i did not care about), and shortly after, they allowed children to accompany their parents to the tavern. they advertised that the place was now a place "all the family can enjoy" (bglerrrghk)

just a few nights before, it was like an adults pub in that it's main business was selling alcohol from behind a counter to people who drank it and talked at tables.

trouble soon set in. the previous "atmosphere" of "relaxed" and "laid back" coarseness, was "gatecrashed" by an influx of people who expected to the place to be "family friendly" and "kiddy welcome".

i heard within the first week, a number of arguments between the new clientele and the old patrons.
the new people always won. an example is where a man (in a suit) was quite "jolly" as he was explaining something reasonably loudly, and he used a swear word ("f*cking") within the ear shot of a toddler and the hysterical mother went beserk. it was resolved by the manager agreeing to suppress all swear words with a new rule from the next day. the new rule was "no profanity or expletive language is to be used on this premises" or similar.

the next argument i heard a few days later (it is hard to miss them because they were loud) was about a young girl that was dressed far too scantily for the sensibilities of a man who thought she was being almost pornographic, and he was very offended that his young children had been subjected to seeing her dressed that way. the argument was resolved in the complainants favor by a new rule that defines a more conservative dress code as an entry requirement.

i also had an extreme encounter with the new "family" people. it was a critical component in my decision to resign my patronage of that place.
i find small children to be unpredictable. i can never tell what they are going to do next. i always have found small children to be unpredictable. even when i was a small child myself.
i am likely to collide with small children if they bounce into my pre programmed path when i am in transit.

the extreme encounter was this:

i knew a fellow who also ate there because he saw me working on a program and we got talking, and i liked him and and so when he was there after that, we ate together and talked. it was fun.
sometimes we would even get a schooner of beer and talk after dinner for a while before i went home. one night, as i was walking back to my table from the bar with a schooner of beer in my hand, a child of about 7 collided with me and he fell over hard, and i decelerated to a stop almost instantly, and the beer in my schooner glass flew out and landed on a toddlers head as she was rolling around playing on the floor.

needless to say i was pressed into a circumstance where i was expected to act "sorry", and i was not sorry because they got in my way. i did not care about what people yelled at me. i was not sorry, and i am not sorry and i never will be sorry.

i was asked to leave by management and i was told to stay away for 2 weeks. i went back about 4 months later and as i walked in i saw the place was almost empty and the restaurant looked undertasked, so i assumed the food would be stale and i went home.

children do not have a place everywhere as far as i am concerned.

do you people have no feelings?
are you even capable of loving a child?
You all just don't seem to try... so you must hate kids... if you have any feelings it is only hate...
you do not love.... unless it's yourself that you love.

Besides that... I thought this website wasn't meant for so called "normal people"
I was sure it was meant for those with aspergers/autism or other disabilities...
but you all sound like those normal people who think their better then us.
so... It must be that it is normal to be evil and cruel like those of you who thought this topic was a good idea.
I guess a loving, caring, and understanding guy like me doesn't stand a chance of being normal.
if it is normal to hate kids or discriminate people in any way then...i'm very glad i'm not normal.

it is highly unlikely that any of you "no kids allowed" supporters know what it is like to have feelings.
if you are only here to discuss hatefull topics or if you don't understand disablilitys... then this just isn't right setting for you.
find a site that is all about the nonesense you post here and post it where it really belongs!! !

learn to love. or a least learn to undestand.
As i've said before you can view the world any way you like... that does not mean you can impose your veiws on the children.
let them have their own views too. you would not see me tell I child to think my way... even if i feel i'm right...
i won't try to make you think my way... but I do know one thing for sure..
to say one is right becuase he or she is older then the other... it is just a sad thing when the younger one gets no say in their life.

discrimination is evil no matter what you try to desquise it as... so don't try to cover it up.
oh...by the way... any child can have a placed in this world and I have a heart
so i would give any child a happy place to live. even would welcome a homeless child into my home.
but i know my parents would not accept that without a little convicing. since our huse was meant for 4 poeple.
and 4 people already live here plus 2 dogs and 1 cat who i aslo love very much.

maybe you should measure your passions rather than letting them swamp you.
your beliefs can drown you if they have mastery over you.
be the master of your beliefs and not the victim of them.

see what is going on before you react. people are only saying that there are some places that are not appropriate for children. they are not saying children are less valuable than they are.
no need to spend energy on things that are not real.

I think you're being a tad bit oversensitive here. This has nothing to do with child welfare or rights. It's not the children who are being discriminated against here, it's the parents.

As a mother, I can say with some confidence that the whole reason little kids act out in these places is because they are bored out of their minds. The overwhelming majority of children do not enjoy fancy restaurants. They are lame. There are no toys. You're supposed to sit still and be quiet. Silliness is inappropriate. All of this is goes against every natural instinct that a child has. If you were to ask any child right now where they'd like to eat, the most common response would be McDonald's, not Le Bec-Fin.

I actually think these restaurants would be doing the kids a favor by not letting them in.

heck i usually label myself a socialist and i can easily understand why a establishment owner would not want kids on his premise.

he has a choice just as you do dont like the ban? eat somewhere else.


that being said my small siblings actually behave a lot better when out eating compared to home, (both shy)
so i can see some families being hit even if they have the perfect little angels(not my siblings, i said when out )

transforming car,your post might just be one of the most ill thought out posts i have seen on here in a long time,
i can understand the heat of the moment but accusing everyone with a different viewpoint of having no feelings or being filled with hate is ridicoulous to the nth degree.

discrimination is horible, but just because there is difference does not make discrimination, in the modern world that is very hard control and more often than not people shout out the first thought they have with little regard for circumstance and causality.

I am not a victim of my beliefs... i am a victim of of a currupt society... just like those poor childern...

your comment has little to nothing to do with wait i said.
what i want to know is why you come to an autism and Asperger's community sit to discuss something that takes away human rights.
And then say it's a good thing?
clearly you are are the normal type... ignorant... so did you really read my post or did you just copy it and make an unreleted comment.

I came to this website seeking felllow human beings who have been diagnosed with what i was diagnosed with.
you do not fit this catergory becuase you must the the so called normal one. Am I right? don't try to lie about it. Be honest.

if your normal then say it... if your not then say it... you can't be both and we shouldn't lie about this.

define normal before proceeding if you want anyone to take you serious

This I'll like to hear lol.

i know you are on the outskirts of rationality at the moment and i do not believe i can intelligibly interact with you. i think you may have a psychotic element to your appreciation of what you sense.
it may be of benefit to you to seek consultation as to the validity of your current notions.

Your mother (and father, for that matter) should know! topic

It is unfair to drag small children to places in which they will be so bored as to act out. I think that many establishments should post such a "warning" to parents so they will think twice before entering the Hallowed Halls of Tedium. By all means take your charges to kid friendly eateries/stores but not to pubs, taverns and places other than Chuck E Cheese restaurants. I know. I have been a parent for 37.5 years and have seen the darndest things bored children can and will do.

I have kids run in to me all the time and they do less damage than adult humans, but if you are not used to them (like B9) then you will react as an adult will and take it seriously--and so will others. Establishments will weigh the pros and cons and eject/ban the one(s) that will cause the least damage to business, sadly. Not wise, but a reality. Keep complaining and things will change, but not as quickly as you might think.

March 1st 2000, Flint Michigan. 6yo shot and killed another 6yo,

alomst forgot...normal means you are not considerd to be defferent you don't have a diognosis or a label.... but why is it that the i am being insulted for careing about this world even though i could easily think of a better world...,.
the real world seems to think the love and kindness is a thing that is only for certian poeple... but we all desrerve a little love.

now wait just a minute! i'm not saying another veiwpoint means they don't have feelings
but have you read some of these post in this topic! they have no respect for a child s feelings...
now i know some one here used the term "concentration camps" very early in this topic.
as if they think the very young and the very old should be locked away?
i remember this was here... my memory is not so bad. if it is still here then take a look and explain that logic.

I try do let everyone have their own views... but there are those few who have completely unreasonable veiws.

when it comes to the rights that all people deserve both young and old...then I must protect the innocent from harsh treatment
most of the time i will accept another person view as that persons view and i won't try to tell them otherwise.
but this topic is a very hurtful one.

I know what is happening here.... we will just keep arguing over this and it will do no good for any of us. it will cause alot stress.
so there is not point in arguing anymore I'd like to get back to other things but this is really holding me up.
I wouldn't think you want to continue this arguing with me and I do not want to argue with you. it is such a waste of time

i will think what i think... you will think what you think and that won't change untill we see the outcome of this matter.

it won't be us who makes the final decision unless we were in the goverment then a final decision might be possible.
but even then you don't see many decisions made in goverment if it does not mean more money politics.

so do we keep fighting like this or do we reaizle that we can not agree? personally this argument is too stressful for me already.
but if we don't stop arguing this topic will become more and more of a issue.
We can't agree and i'm sure we all know it by know... so many post have been made and a lot of time wasted.
we need to decide if this topic is really worth the time and energy we have spent complaining and correcting eachother
can we just get on with our live? this inculdes me we are all doing no good with our comment.
i'm sorry about any insults i've made... I think it's time we fogive each other... and maybe ourselfs... for what we all have done here
so i'll admit this i could be wrong... i could be right... you could be wrong... you could be right...
but personally i think all of us incuding me would be wrong to continue trying to make the the opposite side the wrong side.

basically... we have 2 choices... ruin eacth others lives over this topic or we can all admit we have only made it worse.
then let it go... for another day when we are closer to an agreement. and hopefully we won't continue making the other look bad.