republicans, iowa, debate/straw poll
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Inuyasha wrote:
I would trust Santorum more than I would trust you, even though Santorum is a politician.
You don't have to trust me; you can look through the casualty reports yourself if you like. IEDs are improvised- that is, they are made with whatever is handy.
Which explosive packages from Iran, or detonating devices work wonders, it would still be an IED, just they are getting the materials from Iran, your point?
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As much as you would love for it to be locals rebelling against us because your liberal mind dictates that the US is evil. Your warped perceptions of reality are not in fact reality.
And this is how we know that even Inuyasha realizes he has lost the argument- a random veer off into some bizarre and unfounded tangent. No, I do not believe the US is evil. I am a patriotic American, unlike yourself. As to who is fighting us in Afghanistan, it is primarily the Afghans and some Pakistanis, mostly because of the obvious fact that they are the ones who are there. I don't see why a belief in America being evil would have anything to do with Afghans vs Iranians choosing to fight against us.
I haven't veered at all, I never said that most of the fighters were not people from the region (despite the fact many people that we are fighting aren't even from the country we are currently in). I was talking weapons and ordinence, despite what you may think, 20 year old rockets can actually be about as dangerous to the guy trying to fire it, as it is to the people being targetted. Since you are saying the people in Afghanistan are using weapons that are well over 20-30 years old, why aren't we hearing about the stupid people blowing themselves up on accident with their own weapons.
Inuyasha wrote:
Which explosive packages from Iran, or detonating devices work wonders, it would still be an IED, just they are getting the materials from Iran, your point?
Any evidence that they are importing the materials from Iran? Any evidence that they are getting almost all of the explosive material from Iran? (If your claim is about IEDs, you would need to show almost all IEDs come from Iran, since they account for only slightly more than half of all casualties. Or you would have to show that the other types of weapons are also being imported from Iran)
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I haven't veered at all, I never said that most of the fighters were not people from the region
You made some strange half-formed comment about how whether or not the locals are rebelling against us. The closest I can come to a guess of your meaning is that you were indicating that the people fighting us are not Afghans.
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I was talking weapons and ordinence, despite what you may think, 20 year old rockets can actually be about as dangerous to the guy trying to fire it, as it is to the people being targetted. Since you are saying the people in Afghanistan are using weapons that are well over 20-30 years old, why aren't we hearing about the stupid people blowing themselves up on accident with their own weapons.
Um... when have I said that the majority of the weapons are 20-30 years old? I've never said anything of the sort. To answer your random comment here, old weapons can be scavenged, especially the explosive bits to make IEDs. This is part of why IEDs are crude weapons that so often go wrong. They actually end up killing random Afghan civilians nearly as often as they kill NATO troops.
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psychohist wrote:
Orwell wrote:
That's not too surprising. So just admit you were wrong in your claim that most of our troop fatalities in are caused by Iranian weapons.
Inuyasha hasn't proven his point, but no one as provided any evidence to the contrary, either. IEDs are made from other weapons, which could also be provided by Iran.
I don't know if there are specific numbers for these combat zones. I don't know on what basis Inuyasha's claim can be substantiated. I am interested to know however, I checked most of the fact tables available through places like understandingwar.org and have not found any basic document to work with or from.
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