12 Sep 2011, 8:48 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Hehehe 
Please. I think we went over this as well.
Any one who joins the military is a No Hope or a moron or trying to meet guys.
There are a lot of reasons people join the military. College money/ GI benefits, get away from parents, go [sort of] see the world, get out of 'da hood, build a job resume and maybe a useful job skill, civic duty, good kids trying to find their direction in life.
Average IQ of "service men" is lower than the national average.
I don't know where you get your data but it doesn't matter. IQ is not a measure of character.
If the U.S. military is the "cream of the crop" why are people born in poverty over represented?
They are ding what they have to do to make something of themselves. Their home neighborhoods offer few opportunities for any decent quality of life even for someone with a diploma, a clean record, and looking for work. Some of them are even safer in Iraq or Afghanistan than they are in their home neighborhoods.
Why do They have drop the standards so low just to get the dregs who want to join?
Because they are burning out people faster than they can replace them. Most people are unfit for combat after their 9th tour of duty. In retrospect we really should have reinstated the draft in late 2001 or early 2002. Unfortunately it would be idiotic to ever leave Afghanistan unless we manage to crush militant Islam first.
Why is it that the names of the kids with c averages are given to the recruiters?
Because they are the most likely to have no direction in life yet stay out of trouble. The D and F students are likely to drop out and have chronic legal problems. JROTC programs also try to attract all kinds of kids.
Why do recruiters fight so hard to dupe people into joining?
They are not 'duping' people, it is a big responsibility and taking it on gives people pause.
If it makes you feel better being on the Camouflage dole and wasting taxpayer money
to pretend that mindlessness is somehow a noble tradition, then go for it.
If I was a No Hope Red-neck I would probably do the same.
There's a word for people that join the military to be glorious on the battlefield- casualties. Sometimes they get in a situation where they are about to all get massacred and they do some amazing things for the sake of their whole unit, but outfits don't want they guy around who is out to "win" the medal of honor because his stupidity will likely be a needless danger to the unit. They do keep a noble tradition despite being 'no hope rednecks' who has the better character? The guy that sits around talking sh** about the military and foreign policy yet has little in the way of realistic alternatives to propose, or the guy that risks his life for people's right to talk sh** about him?
Please. I think we went over this as well.
Any one who joins the military is a No Hope or a moron or trying to meet guys.
There are a lot of reasons people join the military. College money/ GI benefits, get away from parents, go [sort of] see the world, get out of 'da hood, build a job resume and maybe a useful job skill, civic duty, good kids trying to find their direction in life.
Average IQ of "service men" is lower than the national average.
I don't know where you get your data but it doesn't matter. IQ is not a measure of character.
If the U.S. military is the "cream of the crop" why are people born in poverty over represented?
They are ding what they have to do to make something of themselves. Their home neighborhoods offer few opportunities for any decent quality of life even for someone with a diploma, a clean record, and looking for work. Some of them are even safer in Iraq or Afghanistan than they are in their home neighborhoods.
Why do They have drop the standards so low just to get the dregs who want to join?
Because they are burning out people faster than they can replace them. Most people are unfit for combat after their 9th tour of duty. In retrospect we really should have reinstated the draft in late 2001 or early 2002. Unfortunately it would be idiotic to ever leave Afghanistan unless we manage to crush militant Islam first.
Why is it that the names of the kids with c averages are given to the recruiters?
Because they are the most likely to have no direction in life yet stay out of trouble. The D and F students are likely to drop out and have chronic legal problems. JROTC programs also try to attract all kinds of kids.
Why do recruiters fight so hard to dupe people into joining?
They are not 'duping' people, it is a big responsibility and taking it on gives people pause.
If it makes you feel better being on the Camouflage dole and wasting taxpayer money
to pretend that mindlessness is somehow a noble tradition, then go for it.
If I was a No Hope Red-neck I would probably do the same.
There's a word for people that join the military to be glorious on the battlefield- casualties. Sometimes they get in a situation where they are about to all get massacred and they do some amazing things for the sake of their whole unit, but outfits don't want they guy around who is out to "win" the medal of honor because his stupidity will likely be a needless danger to the unit. They do keep a noble tradition despite being 'no hope rednecks' who has the better character? The guy that sits around talking sh** about the military and foreign policy yet has little in the way of realistic alternatives to propose, or the guy that risks his life for people's right to talk sh** about him?
I'm loathe to agree with much of anything with you, Browning, but in this instance, I'll pay my respects to those citizens who put their lives on the line for the rest of us.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I would agreewith you Bill if soldiers were "citizens who put their lives on the line for the rest of us".
the sad reality is that they are not. They are mostly poor kids tricked into fight wars that do nobody any good.
The idea that they risk their lives for our benefit is empirically untrue
The risk lives part is true but what benefit do we get from it?
Which of the Wars are we better off because of?
Iraq? Afghanistan? If so how?
Military Worship and the ritual "thank you for your service" have no basis in reality.
they exist as a tool to justify any war no matter how stupid.
If Wars are fought to defend our rights.
then Name the War and Name the Right.
In reality Rights in America are fought for and won through organizing, protest and the courts.
not by dips**t American kids killing folks in foreign countries.
So I respect people that put there lives on the line for me its just that those people are
Teachers and Activists not Soldiers.
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