Kraichgauer
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21 Sep 2011, 1:34 am
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
jamesofthecommons wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
I don't know, maybe the bet way to discredit teapartiers is to let them speak for themselves.
Maybe I am overlooking it,but I am just not seeing a significant backlash on behalf of liberal minded Americans against the dangerously anti-social and inhuman rhetoric of the TEA-Party.As a disabled person who knows a little bit about the horrors, that ultra conservative forces have in the past inflicted upon those they deem to be ,''not worthy of life''I am not ashamed to admit that I am frightend by the TP and what they stand for.Does anyone else on this site share my apprehension ?Am I merely being paranoid ?
I know of a case where a man with cerebral palsy, while attending a town meeting to discuss why he needed his benefits to survive, was accosted by a group of tea baggers. They yelled at him that he was the reason why medicare was going bust, and that he should get a job, all the while throwing dollar bills at him.
So no, you aren't paranoid.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Uh if he was that disabled, I've got a question, how did he get to the town hall meeting? I get the feeling this event was staged.
Possibilities
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
I don't know how he got there - maybe someone drove him, or he took a bus - maybe he even drove himself, like Walt's son in Breaking Bad - and frankly, that hardly matters. What does matter is that he was treated like garbage by the tea baggers present there. And no, I don't believe for a minute that the incident was staged. I'm not saying that everyone affiliated with the tea party is a bad guy - I happen to know a church member who belongs to the local tea party, and he is a very honest, gentle man. But it's also true that at the last Republican presidential debate, the tea party members came across as heartless and mean spirited, cheering on the notion of a hypothetical uninsured man dying from illness or injury, and cheering that Gov. Perry executed more people than any other governor in America. PLEASE, PLEASE, don't tell me that every rude tea bagger is a plant and a fake.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
21 Sep 2011, 2:28 am
jamesofthecommons wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
I don't know, maybe the bet way to discredit teapartiers is to let them speak for themselves.
Maybe I am overlooking it,but I am just not seeing a significant backlash on behalf of liberal minded Americans against the dangerously anti-social and inhuman rhetoric of the TEA-Party.As a disabled person who knows a little bit about the horrors, that ultra conservative forces have in the past inflicted upon those they deem to be ,''not worthy of life''I am not ashamed to admit that I am frightend by the TP and what they stand for.Does anyone else on this site share my apprehension ?Am I merely being paranoid ?
hell yes, a lot of people share your apprehension, and no, you aren't being paranoid. As disappointed as I have been with Obama, a Perry or Bachman as the Repub. candidate will make me vote for him again.
21 Sep 2011, 7:49 am
21 Sep 2011, 8:04 am
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
jamesofthecommons wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
I don't know, maybe the bet way to discredit teapartiers is to let them speak for themselves.
Maybe I am overlooking it,but I am just not seeing a significant backlash on behalf of liberal minded Americans against the dangerously anti-social and inhuman rhetoric of the TEA-Party.As a disabled person who knows a little bit about the horrors, that ultra conservative forces have in the past inflicted upon those they deem to be ,''not worthy of life''I am not ashamed to admit that I am frightend by the TP and what they stand for.Does anyone else on this site share my apprehension ?Am I merely being paranoid ?
I know of a case where a man with cerebral palsy, while attending a town meeting to discuss why he needed his benefits to survive, was accosted by a group of tea baggers. They yelled at him that he was the reason why medicare was going bust, and that he should get a job, all the while throwing dollar bills at him.
So no, you aren't paranoid.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Uh if he was that disabled, I've got a question, how did he get to the town hall meeting? I get the feeling this event was staged.
Possibilities
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
21 Sep 2011, 12:18 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Uh if he was that disabled, I've got a question, how did he get to the town hall meeting? I get the feeling this event was staged.
Interesting point. Good thing that churches managed to get themselves exempted from the Americans with Disabilities Act so that we don't have to worry about all those pesky gimps taking up valuable pew space with their wheelchairs. [/sarcasm]
People with disabilities are mobile. Most public transportation is accessible. Most taxi companies have accessible vehicles. Most buildings have accessible doorways. There are few events--other than religious services--at which people with disabilities cannot make themselves present.
Quote:
Possibilities
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
This is what passes for analysis in your world? I weep for the academic integrity of the institutions that educated you.
21 Sep 2011, 3:46 pm
visagrunt wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Uh if he was that disabled, I've got a question, how did he get to the town hall meeting? I get the feeling this event was staged.
Interesting point. Good thing that churches managed to get themselves exempted from the Americans with Disabilities Act so that we don't have to worry about all those pesky gimps taking up valuable pew space with their wheelchairs. [/sarcasm]
People with disabilities are mobile. Most public transportation is accessible. Most taxi companies have accessible vehicles. Most buildings have accessible doorways. There are few events--other than religious services--at which people with disabilities cannot make themselves present.
Have you ever seen people with severe cerebral palsy? If you have (like I actually have), you'd know damn well that they need a motorized wheel chair, many of them have trouble speaking, and they sure as heck can't drive. It would take a van specifically built to handle their wheel chair. A bus or a taxi couldn't handle it.
visagrunt wrote:
Quote:
Possibilities
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
This is what passes for analysis in your world? I weep for the academic integrity of the institutions that educated you.
Hey visagrunt, the Democrats have already been caught pulling a similar staged event before within the last 2 years. This wouldn't be a new tactic, so I'm understandably skeptical because the people claiming this happened have been caught staging these incidents already.
21 Sep 2011, 4:09 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Uh if he was that disabled, I've got a question, how did he get to the town hall meeting? I get the feeling this event was staged.
Interesting point. Good thing that churches managed to get themselves exempted from the Americans with Disabilities Act so that we don't have to worry about all those pesky gimps taking up valuable pew space with their wheelchairs. [/sarcasm]
People with disabilities are mobile. Most public transportation is accessible. Most taxi companies have accessible vehicles. Most buildings have accessible doorways. There are few events--other than religious services--at which people with disabilities cannot make themselves present.
Have you ever seen people with severe cerebral palsy? If you have (like I actually have), you'd know damn well that they need a motorized wheel chair, many of them have trouble speaking, and they sure as heck can't drive. It would take a van specifically built to handle their wheel chair. A bus or a taxi couldn't handle it.
visagrunt wrote:
Quote:
Possibilities
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
This is what passes for analysis in your world? I weep for the academic integrity of the institutions that educated you.
Hey visagrunt, the Democrats have already been caught pulling a similar staged event before within the last 2 years. This wouldn't be a new tactic, so I'm understandably skeptical because the people claiming this happened have been caught staging these incidents already.
No they haven't
Kraichgauer
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21 Sep 2011, 4:15 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Uh if he was that disabled, I've got a question, how did he get to the town hall meeting? I get the feeling this event was staged.
Interesting point. Good thing that churches managed to get themselves exempted from the Americans with Disabilities Act so that we don't have to worry about all those pesky gimps taking up valuable pew space with their wheelchairs. [/sarcasm]
People with disabilities are mobile. Most public transportation is accessible. Most taxi companies have accessible vehicles. Most buildings have accessible doorways. There are few events--other than religious services--at which people with disabilities cannot make themselves present.
Have you ever seen people with severe cerebral palsy? If you have (like I actually have), you'd know damn well that they need a motorized wheel chair, many of them have trouble speaking, and they sure as heck can't drive. It would take a van specifically built to handle their wheel chair. A bus or a taxi couldn't handle it.
visagrunt wrote:
Quote:
Possibilities
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
This is what passes for analysis in your world? I weep for the academic integrity of the institutions that educated you.
Hey visagrunt, the Democrats have already been caught pulling a similar staged event before within the last 2 years. This wouldn't be a new tactic, so I'm understandably skeptical because the people claiming this happened have been caught staging these incidents already.
Not everyone with cerebral palsy are wheelchair bound - again, there is the young actor who plays Walter Jr. in Breaking Bad, who actually does have the condition in real life. He gets by on crutches, has a comparatively slight speech impediment, and yes, can drive a car. Not everyone getting benefits is a shut-in, and unable to even get out of bed. I suspect that the man who had been harassed was probably more like the actor.
Why is it that you can't accept that there are some very loutish, ignorant, waste of working organs who belong to the tea party? And if there have been liberals who have been dishonest enough to pose as tea baggers in order to discredit them, then they should be informed by whatever organization that they're with that they should leave and never come back. But to say that every instance of tea baggers behaving badly is set up by liberals is nothing but naive. In fact, here in Washington state, some of them even put up a billboard sign questioning if people receiving benefits should be allowed to vote. Another tea bag party leader on TV even suggested that only property owners should be allowed to vote. There's absolutely no getting around the ugliness that has been witnessed among some of the members.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
21 Sep 2011, 5:46 pm
Quote:
here in Washington state, some of them even put up a billboard sign questioning if people receiving benefits should be allowed to vote
LOL hell yeah! That would really knock a hole in your voter base.
If we could do that and ban ban idiots from voting we'd be in high cotton forever!!
21 Sep 2011, 5:57 pm
21 Sep 2011, 6:15 pm
21 Sep 2011, 6:31 pm
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Uh if he was that disabled, I've got a question, how did he get to the town hall meeting? I get the feeling this event was staged.
Interesting point. Good thing that churches managed to get themselves exempted from the Americans with Disabilities Act so that we don't have to worry about all those pesky gimps taking up valuable pew space with their wheelchairs. [/sarcasm]
People with disabilities are mobile. Most public transportation is accessible. Most taxi companies have accessible vehicles. Most buildings have accessible doorways. There are few events--other than religious services--at which people with disabilities cannot make themselves present.
Have you ever seen people with severe cerebral palsy? If you have (like I actually have), you'd know damn well that they need a motorized wheel chair, many of them have trouble speaking, and they sure as heck can't drive. It would take a van specifically built to handle their wheel chair. A bus or a taxi couldn't handle it.
visagrunt wrote:
Quote:
Possibilities
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
1. The man wasn't actually disabled
2. He was taken to this meeting by some people whom had some other people insult the man and throw things at him in an attempt to discredit the tea party. -- Which is probably the more likely possibility, especially since Democrats have already been caught pulling stunts like this.
This is what passes for analysis in your world? I weep for the academic integrity of the institutions that educated you.
Hey visagrunt, the Democrats have already been caught pulling a similar staged event before within the last 2 years. This wouldn't be a new tactic, so I'm understandably skeptical because the people claiming this happened have been caught staging these incidents already.
No they haven't
Actually Pandabear they have or did you forget about that one school teacher that got caught with a website to come up with ways to discredit the tea party. Wait guess you didn't know about this because you only get your news from MSNBC.
Kraichgauer
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21 Sep 2011, 6:32 pm
Raptor wrote:
Quote:
here in Washington state, some of them even put up a billboard sign questioning if people receiving benefits should be allowed to vote
LOL hell yeah! That would really knock a hole in your voter base.
If we could do that and ban ban idiots from voting we'd be in high cotton forever!!
Well, I thought that was what you people were trying to do with voter suppression. Except, you're also going after racial minorities, the elderly, and the young. Just a whole bunch of overly privileged white guys and their too-dumb-to-see their-hand-in-front-of-their-faces bigot and cracker henchmen would be left with a say.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
21 Sep 2011, 6:35 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Quote:
here in Washington state, some of them even put up a billboard sign questioning if people receiving benefits should be allowed to vote
LOL hell yeah! That would really knock a hole in your voter base.
If we could do that and ban ban idiots from voting we'd be in high cotton forever!!
Well, I thought that was what you people were trying to do with voter suppression. Except, you're also going after racial minorities, the elderly, and the young. Just a whole bunch of overly privileged white guys and their too-dumb-to-see their-hand-in-front-of-their-faces bigot and cracker henchmen would be left with a say.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
And you have the gall to call us racist after spewing bull**** like that?!?!?
21 Sep 2011, 6:37 pm
21 Sep 2011, 6:38 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Quote:
here in Washington state, some of them even put up a billboard sign questioning if people receiving benefits should be allowed to vote
LOL hell yeah! That would really knock a hole in your voter base.
If we could do that and ban ban idiots from voting we'd be in high cotton forever!!
Well, I thought that was what you people were trying to do with voter suppression. Except, you're also going after racial minorities, the elderly, and the young. Just a whole bunch of overly privileged white guys and their too-dumb-to-see their-hand-in-front-of-their-faces bigot and cracker henchmen would be left with a say.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
And you have the gall to call us racist after spewing bull**** like that?!?!?
Frankly, yes.
