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16 Oct 2011, 11:20 pm
Vexcalibur wrote:
Joker wrote:
Lecks wrote:
They look like blobs of flesh. I suppose that's what some holocaust victims ended up looking like. It's a tasteless comparison though, those victims were people.
Those fetus where people to they had a heart beat its a good comparison.
What I dont get is if people support abortion why are they anti war?
Non-sequiturs do not impress anyone.
Abortion is a messy surgical procedure and so is birth. News at seven.
Joker wrote:
A 24 day old fetus has a heart beat 
So do rats. NEXT!
Um being born may be messy but its a beautiful thing I did enjoy pictures of my niece after she was born she looked so cute
Liberals and Conservatives have never really liked me I am a equal opportunity offender its in my nature Lad.
16 Oct 2011, 11:56 pm
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17 Oct 2011, 12:04 am
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Good point, but why do omnivorous people dislike images of slaughterhouses? If they eat meat, it shouldn't offend them.
It doesn't offend me they make sure the animal doesn't feel pain I am most certain a fetus does whet it is aborted.
Ok, so you're ok with abortion as long as the zef doesn't feel pain?
The connections necessary for pain don't happen until the 3rd trimester, 'Silent Scream' fraud notwithstanding.
Nope good try though you almost twisted my words around
a child in the womb even if its only 24 days old it still feels pain and has a beat
17 Oct 2011, 12:14 am
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
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Good point, but why do omnivorous people dislike images of slaughterhouses? If they eat meat, it shouldn't offend them.
It doesn't offend me they make sure the animal doesn't feel pain I am most certain a fetus does whet it is aborted.
Ok, so you're ok with abortion as long as the zef doesn't feel pain?
The connections necessary for pain don't happen until the 3rd trimester, 'Silent Scream' fraud notwithstanding.
Nope good try though you almost twisted my words around
a child in the womb even if its only 24 days old it still feels pain and has a beatNo twisting involved at all, just trying to get you to figure out what you're saying with some sort of consistency.
You are factually incorrect about a 24 day old zef feeling pain. Pain requires sensory capabilities, a brain that can process sensory input, and a connection between the two. As for the heart beat, none of us give a damn about it. The presence or absence of a heart beat has nothing to do with the effort that we go to in order to preserve life; I've personally worked on a number of people who had no heart beat but were saved because they still had brain function; when the brain function ceases, personhood ceases regardless of whether the heart is still going or not. Without a brain, the body is just a collection of donor organs.
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17 Oct 2011, 12:17 am
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
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Good point, but why do omnivorous people dislike images of slaughterhouses? If they eat meat, it shouldn't offend them.
It doesn't offend me they make sure the animal doesn't feel pain I am most certain a fetus does whet it is aborted.
Ok, so you're ok with abortion as long as the zef doesn't feel pain?
The connections necessary for pain don't happen until the 3rd trimester, 'Silent Scream' fraud notwithstanding.
Nope good try though you almost twisted my words around
a child in the womb even if its only 24 days old it still feels pain and has a beatNo twisting involved at all, just trying to get you to figure out what you're saying with some sort of consistency.
You are factually incorrect about a 24 day old zef feeling pain. Pain requires sensory capabilities, a brain that can process sensory input, and a connection between the two. As for the heart beat, none of us give a damn about it. The presence or absence of a heart beat has nothing to do with the effort that we go to in order to preserve life; I've personally worked on a number of people who had no heart beat but were saved because they still had brain function; when the brain function ceases, personhood ceases regardless of whether the heart is still going or not. Without a brain, the body is just a collection of donor organs.
Its functioning enough to have a heart beat so I am sure it feels pain
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.
17 Oct 2011, 12:19 am
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
Quote:
Good point, but why do omnivorous people dislike images of slaughterhouses? If they eat meat, it shouldn't offend them.
It doesn't offend me they make sure the animal doesn't feel pain I am most certain a fetus does whet it is aborted.
Ok, so you're ok with abortion as long as the zef doesn't feel pain?
The connections necessary for pain don't happen until the 3rd trimester, 'Silent Scream' fraud notwithstanding.
Nope good try though you almost twisted my words around
a child in the womb even if its only 24 days old it still feels pain and has a beatNo twisting involved at all, just trying to get you to figure out what you're saying with some sort of consistency.
You are factually incorrect about a 24 day old zef feeling pain. Pain requires sensory capabilities, a brain that can process sensory input, and a connection between the two. As for the heart beat, none of us give a damn about it. The presence or absence of a heart beat has nothing to do with the effort that we go to in order to preserve life; I've personally worked on a number of people who had no heart beat but were saved because they still had brain function; when the brain function ceases, personhood ceases regardless of whether the heart is still going or not. Without a brain, the body is just a collection of donor organs.
Its functioning enough to have a heart beat so I am sure it feels pain
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.Darling, you are in denial of reality. The heart is not a pain-sensing organ; it's a blood pump.
If I abort a zef, of course I end a life - just like I end a life when I whack a fish on the head after yanking it out of the water by a hook in its mouth. The difference is, the fish is sentient and the zef is not.
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17 Oct 2011, 12:22 am
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
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Good point, but why do omnivorous people dislike images of slaughterhouses? If they eat meat, it shouldn't offend them.
It doesn't offend me they make sure the animal doesn't feel pain I am most certain a fetus does whet it is aborted.
Ok, so you're ok with abortion as long as the zef doesn't feel pain?
The connections necessary for pain don't happen until the 3rd trimester, 'Silent Scream' fraud notwithstanding.
Nope good try though you almost twisted my words around
a child in the womb even if its only 24 days old it still feels pain and has a beatNo twisting involved at all, just trying to get you to figure out what you're saying with some sort of consistency.
You are factually incorrect about a 24 day old zef feeling pain. Pain requires sensory capabilities, a brain that can process sensory input, and a connection between the two. As for the heart beat, none of us give a damn about it. The presence or absence of a heart beat has nothing to do with the effort that we go to in order to preserve life; I've personally worked on a number of people who had no heart beat but were saved because they still had brain function; when the brain function ceases, personhood ceases regardless of whether the heart is still going or not. Without a brain, the body is just a collection of donor organs.
Its functioning enough to have a heart beat so I am sure it feels pain
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.Darling, you are in denial of reality. The heart is not a pain-sensing organ; it's a blood pump.
If I abort a zef, of course I end a life - just like I end a life when I whack a fish on the head after yanking it out of the water by a hook in its mouth. The difference is, the fish is sentient and the zef is not.
Guess my grandfathers heart wasn't in pain during a heart attack
17 Oct 2011, 12:23 am
17 Oct 2011, 12:24 am
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
Quote:
Good point, but why do omnivorous people dislike images of slaughterhouses? If they eat meat, it shouldn't offend them.
It doesn't offend me they make sure the animal doesn't feel pain I am most certain a fetus does whet it is aborted.
Ok, so you're ok with abortion as long as the zef doesn't feel pain?
The connections necessary for pain don't happen until the 3rd trimester, 'Silent Scream' fraud notwithstanding.
Nope good try though you almost twisted my words around
a child in the womb even if its only 24 days old it still feels pain and has a beatNo twisting involved at all, just trying to get you to figure out what you're saying with some sort of consistency.
You are factually incorrect about a 24 day old zef feeling pain. Pain requires sensory capabilities, a brain that can process sensory input, and a connection between the two. As for the heart beat, none of us give a damn about it. The presence or absence of a heart beat has nothing to do with the effort that we go to in order to preserve life; I've personally worked on a number of people who had no heart beat but were saved because they still had brain function; when the brain function ceases, personhood ceases regardless of whether the heart is still going or not. Without a brain, the body is just a collection of donor organs.
Its functioning enough to have a heart beat so I am sure it feels pain
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.Darling, you are in denial of reality. The heart is not a pain-sensing organ; it's a blood pump.
If I abort a zef, of course I end a life - just like I end a life when I whack a fish on the head after yanking it out of the water by a hook in its mouth. The difference is, the fish is sentient and the zef is not.
Guess my grandfathers heart wasn't in pain during a heart attack
Presumably, your grandfather had a brain, sensory nervous tissue well-developed in his heart, and connective nerves between the two. Unlike a zef.
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17 Oct 2011, 12:25 am
Master_Pedant wrote:
Joker wrote:
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.
Every time you use anti-bacterial products, you are killing thousands of lives. Oh the horror!
Hmm comparing a fetus to a germ
17 Oct 2011, 12:30 am
Joker wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Joker wrote:
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.
Every time you use anti-bacterial products, you are killing thousands of lives. Oh the horror!
Hmm comparing a fetus to a germ
If you insist upon using "life" as your mark for moral significance, than don't be surprised when people reduce your position to absurdity. If you have a very specific type of life in mind, then it is your job to specify exactly what said type of life it is that you view as morally significant.
17 Oct 2011, 12:30 am
Joker wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Joker wrote:
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.
Every time you use anti-bacterial products, you are killing thousands of lives. Oh the horror!
Hmm comparing a fetus to a germ
No, darling. You protest over lost lives: well, bacteria are alive and yet you presumably have no problem destroying them. Therefore, your problem isn't actually with the loss of life. I'm going to give you a few hints here, in the hopes of speeding things up: this is a discussion that we always have any time a pro-lifer comes on. If you are like most pro-lifers, your problem isn't that it's life, it isn't that it has a heartbeat, it isn't that it's human, it isn't that it's genetically unique. It isn't even that it can feel pain. Your problem is that something which probably will develop into a child in the future is being destoryed; it is the loss of future potential, not the value of the thing as it currently exists, because that thing is pretty self-evidenlty close to worthless in its current state.
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17 Oct 2011, 12:33 am
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Joker wrote:
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.
Every time you use anti-bacterial products, you are killing thousands of lives. Oh the horror!
Hmm comparing a fetus to a germ
No, darling. You protest over lost lives: well, bacteria are alive and yet you presumably have no problem destroying them. Therefore, your problem isn't actually with the loss of life. I'm going to give you a few hints here, in the hopes of speeding things up: this is a discussion that we always have any time a pro-lifer comes on. If you are like most pro-lifers, your problem isn't that it's life, it isn't that it has a heartbeat, it isn't that it's human, it isn't that it's genetically unique. It isn't even that it can feel pain. Your problem is that something which probably will develop into a child in the future is being destoryed; it is the loss of future potential, not the value of the thing as it currently exists, because that thing is pretty self-evidenlty close to worthless in its current state.
Human Beings are more precious then bacteria pleas try something else
17 Oct 2011, 12:40 am
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Joker wrote:
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.
Every time you use anti-bacterial products, you are killing thousands of lives. Oh the horror!
Hmm comparing a fetus to a germ
No, darling. You protest over lost lives: well, bacteria are alive and yet you presumably have no problem destroying them. Therefore, your problem isn't actually with the loss of life. I'm going to give you a few hints here, in the hopes of speeding things up: this is a discussion that we always have any time a pro-lifer comes on. If you are like most pro-lifers, your problem isn't that it's life, it isn't that it has a heartbeat, it isn't that it's human, it isn't that it's genetically unique. It isn't even that it can feel pain. Your problem is that something which probably will develop into a child in the future is being destoryed; it is the loss of future potential, not the value of the thing as it currently exists, because that thing is pretty self-evidenlty close to worthless in its current state.
Human Beings are more precious then bacteria pleas try something else
Yes, human beings are more precious than bacteria. Do you have a point?
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17 Oct 2011, 12:41 am
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Joker wrote:
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.
Every time you use anti-bacterial products, you are killing thousands of lives. Oh the horror!
Hmm comparing a fetus to a germ
No, darling. You protest over lost lives: well, bacteria are alive and yet you presumably have no problem destroying them. Therefore, your problem isn't actually with the loss of life. I'm going to give you a few hints here, in the hopes of speeding things up: this is a discussion that we always have any time a pro-lifer comes on. If you are like most pro-lifers, your problem isn't that it's life, it isn't that it has a heartbeat, it isn't that it's human, it isn't that it's genetically unique. It isn't even that it can feel pain. Your problem is that something which probably will develop into a child in the future is being destoryed; it is the loss of future potential, not the value of the thing as it currently exists, because that thing is pretty self-evidenlty close to worthless in its current state.
Human Beings are more precious then bacteria pleas try something else
Yes, human beings are more precious than bacteria. Do you have a point?
You where once a fetus the fetus makes the human young skywalker
17 Oct 2011, 12:42 am
Joker wrote:
LKL wrote:
Joker wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Joker wrote:
but still if the heart is beating and you abort the child that is still ending a life buttercup.
Every time you use anti-bacterial products, you are killing thousands of lives. Oh the horror!
Hmm comparing a fetus to a germ
No, darling. You protest over lost lives: well, bacteria are alive and yet you presumably have no problem destroying them. Therefore, your problem isn't actually with the loss of life. I'm going to give you a few hints here, in the hopes of speeding things up: this is a discussion that we always have any time a pro-lifer comes on. If you are like most pro-lifers, your problem isn't that it's life, it isn't that it has a heartbeat, it isn't that it's human, it isn't that it's genetically unique. It isn't even that it can feel pain. Your problem is that something which probably will develop into a child in the future is being destoryed; it is the loss of future potential, not the value of the thing as it currently exists, because that thing is pretty self-evidenlty close to worthless in its current state.
Human Beings are more precious then bacteria pleas try something else
Which Human beings, and which bacteria?
