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04 Nov 2011, 4:45 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

I'm excluding them from the bias argument because we have all the other media outlets jumping on Fox News' case whenever they "get something wrong," even if this screw up is an imagined one.

I'll buy that. But I do think that you descend to their level when you simply fire back in kind.

In a society where sources of information are cheap and plentiful, why are any of us relying on a single source for news? It seems to me that anyone who attacks or defends one source to the exclusion of all others, is vulnerable to being perceived as narrow minded. So why be as narrow minded as your opponent?

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The other media outlets however all circle the wagons and try to fall all over themselves to back up what one left wing outlet says however, so that is why their bias is more of a concern.

Maybe so--but there's plenty of self-congratulation that goes on on the other side as well. Why should we be more concerned about MSNBC and The New York Times backing each other up than, say, Fox News and The Wall Street Journal?

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Fox News actually has people trying to look over their shoulders and catch them on anything, but the other media outlets aren't being held up to the same level of scrutiny (not counting bloggers).

Here I am not at all sure.

But in many of your posts I still find myself agreeing with your factual basis, but you wind up taking illogical stroll towards a conclusion that I cannot support, either because the factual basis is incomplete, or the the reasoning is flawed.

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04 Nov 2011, 7:07 pm

visagrunt wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

I'm excluding them from the bias argument because we have all the other media outlets jumping on Fox News' case whenever they "get something wrong," even if this screw up is an imagined one.

Except I never said that I relied on a single source for news, you people made that assumption on your own.

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The other media outlets however all circle the wagons and try to fall all over themselves to back up what one left wing outlet says however, so that is why their bias is more of a concern.

That's why I look at multiple sources, hell my local paper is left wing.

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Fox News actually has people trying to look over their shoulders and catch them on anything, but the other media outlets aren't being held up to the same level of scrutiny (not counting bloggers).

Ever consider that there may be things that you are missing in your analysis?

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05 Nov 2011, 9:08 am

Getting back to the original topic, watch this video from about 4:00

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KLflkIFEeo[/youtube]

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05 Nov 2011, 11:07 am

pandabear, Fox News is not a non-profit, they are well within their 1st Amendment rights, if anyone is violating the law it is NPR and Media Matters.

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05 Nov 2011, 11:08 am

pandabear wrote:

Getting back to the original topic, watch this video from about 4:00

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KLflkIFEeo[/youtube]

So what? Tune into CNN or MSNBC.

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05 Nov 2011, 5:02 pm

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So what? Tune into CNN or MSNBC.

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I actually don't watch news very often. But, I never hear people who watch CNN or MSNBC ranting or raving about some weird thing they saw on their news channel.

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05 Nov 2011, 6:36 pm

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I actually don't watch news very often. But, I never hear people who watch CNN or MSNBC ranting or raving about some weird thing they saw on their news channel.

That must mean they are happy with their news source.

By the way, there are people who like what Fox puts out.

This is America. The Market is bound to offer each of us something we like.

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05 Nov 2011, 6:38 pm

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pandabear, Fox News is not a non-profit, they are well within their 1st Amendment rights, if anyone is violating the law it is NPR and Media Matters.

You were winning the discussion until you reminded us all that you are as much as biased as panda.

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05 Nov 2011, 10:40 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

pandabear, Fox News is not a non-profit, they are well within their 1st Amendment rights, if anyone is violating the law it is NPR and Media Matters.

You were winning the discussion until you reminded us all that you are as much as biased as panda.

Actually, I'm still winning the argument, because there is a difference between Media Matters and Fox News in the fact Media Matters is supposed to be a 501c nonprofit.

There is also a difference between Fox News and NPR in the fact that NPR receives taxpayer money, while Fox News does not.

I'm not calling for silencing CNN and MSNBC, nor am I calling for NPR and Media Matters to be silenced, I'm saying NPR should lose the taxpayer funding and Media Matters should lose their nonprofit status. If they succeed on their own afterwards, more power too them, if they don't well guess that's there problem.

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06 Nov 2011, 6:41 am

Inuyasha wrote:

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Inuyasha wrote:

pandabear, Fox News is not a non-profit, they are well within their 1st Amendment rights, if anyone is violating the law it is NPR and Media Matters.

You were winning the discussion until you reminded us all that you are as much as biased as panda.

I agree and lets take the non-profit status away from the churches as well.
the should not be funded with tax-payers money.
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06 Nov 2011, 9:53 am

What the video seems to be getting at is in 2 U.S.C. 431

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/2/14/I/431

Within the wording of how the act defines the term "expenditure"

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(B) The term "expenditure" does not include -
(i) any news story, commentary, or editorial distributed
through the facilities of any broadcasting station, newspaper,
magazine, or other periodical publication, unless such facilities
are owned or controlled by any political party, political
committee, or candidate;

If Fox News is "controlled" by the Republican Party (which Fox News doesn't seem to deny), then Fox News' favourable coverage of Republican candidates would be considered campaign "expenditure", which would require some reporting

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/2/14/I/434

and I don't know what else....

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06 Nov 2011, 10:23 am

According to Conservative Commentator Stephen Colbert

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... t-official

Fox News and the Republican Party have plans for an all-white wedding.

And, why would a company that pretends to provide "news" give money to Republican candidates?

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06 Nov 2011, 10:27 am

Some more evidence that Fox "News" programming comes directly from the Republican party (or perhaps it is vice versa).

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=5366

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06 Nov 2011, 11:16 am

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According to the courts, that is legal.

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06 Nov 2011, 11:24 am

ruveyn wrote:

pandabear wrote:

According to the courts, that is legal.

ruveyn

Fox would only be in trouble if they were not a part of the republican machine and gave free support to the GOP.
Since the Republicans are defined by Fox News they are scott-free.

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06 Nov 2011, 12:15 pm

ruveyn wrote:

pandabear wrote:

According to the courts, that is legal.

ruveyn

The million bucks that Fox News gave to the Republican Governor's Organization had to be reported. But, what about their in-kind contribution of non-stop cheerleading for the Republican party? Shouldn't that also be reported as an in-kind contribution?

And, what other news media outlet actually gives away millions of dollars in cash to political causes?

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