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30 Nov 2011, 9:26 am

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Dr. Jason David BeDuhn combs through several doctrinally charged scriptures and breaks them down in much the same way you just did. He uses his knowledge of ancient Greek and its associated customs to arrive at a truth in the translation.


Translations, at best, are approximate. And between languages used in vastly different cultures at vastly different times good translation is almost impossible. Remember both Jews and Christians referred to in the Bible and Gospels lived in pre-scientific eras whose prevailing thought systems were illogical and irrational. These dudes believed in Miracles and Magic Cures. They also believed the Sun went around the Earth. There is a gap of 2000 years, and a bottomless metaphysical and logic gap in the cultures here.

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30 Nov 2011, 9:29 am

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The Pie and Pastry Bible?


I second this.

Those Christian versions are just full of nonsense ;)



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30 Nov 2011, 11:38 am

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This is why it is very important for a translation to be as accurate as possible to convey the meaning in the original Hebrew and Greek. I would recommend Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament. Dr. Jason David BeDuhn combs through several doctrinally charged scriptures and breaks them down in much the same way you just did. He uses his knowledge of ancient Greek and its associated customs to arrive at a truth in the translation.


I guarantee any Bible or Gospel translation you have read is No Good. Do you want to read the Hebrew bible? Read it in Hebrew and Aramaic (the Book of Daniel is in Aramaic). Don't bother with translations. They will always be in error and they will always be guided by some kind of doctrinal agenda.

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30 Nov 2011, 11:42 am

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I guarantee any Bible or Gospel translation you have read is No Good. Do you want to read the Hebrew bible? Read it in Hebrew and Aramaic (the Book of Daniel is in Aramaic). Don't bother with translations. They will always be in error and they will always be guided by some kind of doctrinal agenda.


Are you still here ruveyn? Until you change your opinion of the bible as being nothing but a "book of fairy tales" I'm not going to listen to you. Your "guarantee" means nothing to me.



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30 Nov 2011, 11:46 am

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Are you still here ruveyn? Until you change your opinion that the bible is nothing more than a "book of fairy tales" I'm not going to listen to you. Your "guarantee" means nothing to me.


Don't believe me. Use your eyes and ears. All those biblical "prophesies"? How many have come true? All you need is one false prophecy to show the underlying assumptions are false. If a scientific theory were as well falsified as biblical prophecy, it would be laughed at a rank ignorance and superstition.

I don't do opinions. I do facts. Facts are God's enemy so they must be of the Devil, right?

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30 Nov 2011, 11:54 am

I'm not going to get into this discussion with someone who sees the bible as, and I quote, "a badly done fairy tale.." Out of respect to the original poster this thread is about which "bible is the right one", not "why does the bible sound a big book of fables" (according to ruveyn). I'm pretty respectful of everyone's comments but only when they have faith and believe in the subject being discussed. You've already made it clear you have disdain for it. Everything you post is biased towards that viewpoint. I cannot reason with you on my level and I don't want to try.



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30 Nov 2011, 12:08 pm

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I'm not going to get into this discussion with someone who sees the bible as, and I quote, "a badly done fairy tale.." Out of respect to the original poster this thread is about which "bible is the right one", not "why does the bible sound a big book of fables" (according to ruveyn). I'm pretty respectful of everyone's comments but only when they have faith and believe in the subject being discussed. You've already made it clear you have disdain for it. Everything you post is biased towards that viewpoint. I cannot reason with you on my level and I don't want to try.


And everything you write is biased toward your view point. I believe in Facts. What do you believe in. Ghosts? Spirits? Heaven? Eternal Life? Have you ever prepared humans for burial? I have. Take my word for it. They look like meat well on its way to spoilage.

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30 Nov 2011, 1:19 pm

kxmode wrote:

Exactly! :)

This is why it is very important for a translation to be as accurate as possible to convey the meaning in the original Hebrew and Greek. I would recommend Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament. Dr. Jason David BeDuhn combs through several doctrinally charged scriptures and breaks them down in much the same way you just did. He uses his knowledge of ancient Greek and its associated customs to arrive at a truth in the translation.

You read what I said, and then came back with the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I meant.

I am NOT saying "We need objectivity because there are problems". I am saying "problems are so extensive that we cannot really arrive at the objective interpretation, only a trade-off between various good interpretations". So, take the issue of dynamic vs formal equivalence in translation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_equivalence Which is OBJECTIVELY BETTER??? Dynamic equivalence, or formal equivalence? I don't think that we have an objective way of rendering one better than the other if the goals conflict, PERIOD. Meaning, kxmode, I actually DISAGREE WITH YOU STRONGLY.