06 Nov 2006, 3:06 pm
06 Nov 2006, 3:08 pm
Bart21 wrote:
I'm a nationalist.
Are you English? Vote BNP!!
06 Nov 2006, 3:17 pm
ascan wrote:
Bart21 wrote:
I'm a nationalist.
Are you English? Vote BNP!!
I would have if i lived there, no doubt about that.
McJeff
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06 Nov 2006, 7:03 pm
I'm not xenophobic. I just know I'm better than everyone else and am not ashamed to celebrate it. 
</joke>
The thing that you touched on, Xuincherguixe, that I "don't go too far to think" - I'll reluctantly admit it's true. And I think there are a few examples from these forums where I've relented, and acknowledged that I misspoke, or didn't have all the information.
But it's not because I don't think - it's because that I run out of energy. I'm a centrist who falls slightly to the right, but, just like you said, moderation in the face of extremism seems futile. And honestly, the leftism here frequently reaches Democratic Underground levels. (DU, for anyone who doesn't know, is the far-left message board where people were claiming Bush caused the tsunamis last year with earthquake weapons).
But let me ask you something. What response, other than complete capitulation to the terrorists, is not going to cause more violence or troubles? Muquta Al-Sadr, our prime adversary from before the time of Zarqawi, has flattened three police strongholds within Sadr City, and his militia completely controls it now. Did negotiating with him save countless deaths? Or did it sacrifice dozens of lives now, for hundreds in the future? Baghdad's a wreck... so why are we not hearing about the fact that outside Baghdad, things are getting better rather than worse?
Xu said, "we" don't make any effort to find solutions to problems. What he and similar lefties can't do is come down off their high horse. I would never be able to explain to him that I've examined the issue in depth, moreso than he has I'd be willing to bet, and simply found that conflict is sometimes necessary and that this is one of those times.
If you actually care to hear how and why I came to that conclusion I'd be glad to share, but I'm not going to be assed typing for an hour on a post no one will read or pay attention to.
07 Nov 2006, 4:12 am
Bart21 wrote:
ascan wrote:
Bart21 wrote:
I'm a nationalist.
Are you English? Vote BNP!!
I would have if i lived there, no doubt about that.
are you serious? the bnp are nothing but a bunch of bigotted racist ex skinhead thugs. half of their election candidates have been in prison. they have no serious political platform at all, and gain the small degree of support that they get by whipping up bigotry, hatred and ignorance.
07 Nov 2006, 4:39 am
peebo wrote:
Bart21 wrote:
ascan wrote:
Bart21 wrote:
I'm a nationalist.
Are you English? Vote BNP!!
I would have if i lived there, no doubt about that.
are you serious? the bnp are nothing but a bunch of bigotted racist ex skinhead thugs. half of their election candidates have been in prison. they have no serious political platform at all, and gain the small degree of support that they get by whipping up bigotry, hatred and ignorance.
Actually, you're wrong. Many people find at least some of their policies attractive. The majority of the population think that immigration has gone too far, for example. Many believe that providing incentives for those who've recently come here, yet don't wish to be part of our society, to return home are a good thing. Many people find the continued celebration of everything ethnically diverse, at the expense of our own culture and traditions, disturbing. Also, I think there's a trend to question where we're going with capitalism. These issues have all been considered by the BNP. I do disagree with some of their policies, though; some do contain a vestige of their racist past. However, they provide a refreshing new voice to counter the incessant bleating of the islamic apologists on the left.
The BNP has wide support in many areas of the country. I know a number of people (all intelligent professionals) who have some sympathy with their cause. They may have some criminals in their ranks, but what organisation hasn't! To be honest, if someone ends up in prison for speaking out against the threat we face from Islamic extremists they deserve our respect and support.
07 Nov 2006, 5:24 am
Xuincherguixe wrote:
This thread got funny.
McJeff seems to me to be one of those people that isn't neccesarily stupid, but doesn't go too far to think.
Muslims are a group that it's 'in' to hate. Has been for awhile, but now it's more so. There are fundementalist Muslims that cause a lot of problems, but this is not the sum of Islam. Even if this was the majority of people, doesn't it stand to reason that the radicals should be seperated out from the non radicals?
Which was I'm sure when it was brought up was what the poster was trying to say. But instead, McJeff writes a long defensive post about why he feels he is right. There may be on the surface what seem to be good points, but in the end it's just more of the problem. Feeding into the violence.
I mean what, you don't think that the Terrorists feel like they aren't justified do you? Do you think that in many cases they have a pretty convincing argument to do you? They didn't just wake up one day and decided they hate America and are going to go on long elobrate plots to destroy it do you?
Here's the truth. All the extreme points of view think their side is the right one. The violent ones all think that they are justified in violence. Because of those actions, the other side thinks this justifies whatever they want. (And I do mean whatever). You can see this first hand. You have a bunch of Saudi's fly a plane into a building. So now some people say that we can blow up Iraq.
No, you don't resolve conflict with more conflict. If you where someone that could think deeper, you would understand this. You would also see that 'but there's no other way!' isn't a valid argument. Because you would actually believe in making the slightest bit of effort to find them.
Everywhere you look you've got some fat angry white guy yelling that 'we must do whatever is neccesary', but they don't do whatever is neccesary. They just blow up things. They only think hard about the best way to blow up things, and not look for answers.
You can give me extreme examples. You can rant and rave and yell that I'm wrong, but even though I may not be as loud or willing to beat up anyone that disagrees with me, I still believe pretty damn strongly in my cause too.
And that goes out to all the people that work hard to not need to be insightful. There are a lot of Liberals that do the same thing, but it's not nearly as much of a problem. And don't think that this is directed to everyone that's slightly to the right on the spectrum. Some of you I'm sure do look deep into things. Or rather, look further than the very surface.
And so McJeff (or anyone else for that matter) can make sure to get their crazy xenophobic retorts (I'm being generous in calling them retorts) ready, I'm Canadian. So brush up on those slurs and stereotypes! You should also tell the people that hate Canada to work harder at coming up with these things, because most of them really aren't all that offensive.
McJeff seems to me to be one of those people that isn't neccesarily stupid, but doesn't go too far to think.
Muslims are a group that it's 'in' to hate. Has been for awhile, but now it's more so. There are fundementalist Muslims that cause a lot of problems, but this is not the sum of Islam. Even if this was the majority of people, doesn't it stand to reason that the radicals should be seperated out from the non radicals?
Which was I'm sure when it was brought up was what the poster was trying to say. But instead, McJeff writes a long defensive post about why he feels he is right. There may be on the surface what seem to be good points, but in the end it's just more of the problem. Feeding into the violence.
I mean what, you don't think that the Terrorists feel like they aren't justified do you? Do you think that in many cases they have a pretty convincing argument to do you? They didn't just wake up one day and decided they hate America and are going to go on long elobrate plots to destroy it do you?
Here's the truth. All the extreme points of view think their side is the right one. The violent ones all think that they are justified in violence. Because of those actions, the other side thinks this justifies whatever they want. (And I do mean whatever). You can see this first hand. You have a bunch of Saudi's fly a plane into a building. So now some people say that we can blow up Iraq.
No, you don't resolve conflict with more conflict. If you where someone that could think deeper, you would understand this. You would also see that 'but there's no other way!' isn't a valid argument. Because you would actually believe in making the slightest bit of effort to find them.
Everywhere you look you've got some fat angry white guy yelling that 'we must do whatever is neccesary', but they don't do whatever is neccesary. They just blow up things. They only think hard about the best way to blow up things, and not look for answers.
You can give me extreme examples. You can rant and rave and yell that I'm wrong, but even though I may not be as loud or willing to beat up anyone that disagrees with me, I still believe pretty damn strongly in my cause too.
And that goes out to all the people that work hard to not need to be insightful. There are a lot of Liberals that do the same thing, but it's not nearly as much of a problem. And don't think that this is directed to everyone that's slightly to the right on the spectrum. Some of you I'm sure do look deep into things. Or rather, look further than the very surface.
And so McJeff (or anyone else for that matter) can make sure to get their crazy xenophobic retorts (I'm being generous in calling them retorts) ready, I'm Canadian. So brush up on those slurs and stereotypes! You should also tell the people that hate Canada to work harder at coming up with these things, because most of them really aren't all that offensive.
Ya, and maybe we should try to convince black people to not exist. To appease hate groups that are against them violently. Let's look into their hearts and try to figure out why they hate minorities, then we can cater to their hate. Just as violent means cant solve everything, neither can peaceful means. There are some people on earth who want to fight, dont care about reasoning with overly sophisticated
and huminatarian liberals, and nothing will quench this but opposable force. Some people need to be violently restrained. Believe it or not, not everyone thinks the way you do. Most of them arent reasonable people. You people make it sound like Bin laden and his ilk are perfectly tolerable individuals, simply pushed over the edge by the decadent west. Bin Laden would have probably pursued a career in dentistry if not for being egged on by people like Bill Clinton and George Bush. This is coming from a part of the world where the state murders people for being gay, hangs young girls off cranes for kissing a boy, and shoot off AK-47s at barbeques.
07 Nov 2006, 7:37 am
07 Nov 2006, 10:18 am
peebo wrote:
Bart21 wrote:
ascan wrote:
Bart21 wrote:
I'm a nationalist.
Are you English? Vote BNP!!
I would have if i lived there, no doubt about that.
are you serious? the bnp are nothing but a bunch of bigotted racist ex skinhead thugs. half of their election candidates have been in prison. they have no serious political platform at all, and gain the small degree of support that they get by whipping up bigotry, hatred and ignorance.
Gratz, you managed to put so many lies and propoganda into such a small post.
Let's go point by point.
You say people who are skinheads are automaticly bad.
Many of them are intelegent well educated people with verry high iq's.
But since the media and movies portray them as drunken criminals that's what you believe.
The funny thing is you use the same generalizations about skinheads as rightwingers use about immigrants.
Those imprisoned have been due to laws made up to outlaw people with different opinions.
Not crimes such as theft or hurting someone.
Thought crimes.
Kinda like how Hitler and Stalin imprisoned theyr political opponents as wel.
A political prisonar by the political elite.
If with all the things you said about the nationalists you changed the word to a immigrant.
You could go to jail for racism.
But because the hate laws only apply to natives, they are the only ones they are used against.
Now to the part where you say about them having no political platform.
I believe they have seats in several districts.
Ofcourse i'm not English so i cannot say i know alot about it.
You say they whip up hatred etc.
But that simply isn't true.
When peoples native neighborhoods are turned into dangerous ghettos they flea.
These victimized people are afraid of telling about theyr experience for being branded a racist by the political elite and media.
So they try to find a solution to the problem
Vote for a party who trys to stop the mass immigration that turns theyr neighborhoods into dangerous ghettos.
The political elite always uses the word hate in such cases but it's simply unjust.
When the native americans were driven from theyr homes and wanted to keep theyr land.
Was it hate that drove them or simply because they wanted to keep theyr land?
If you think about it it's verry simular here.
In Amsterdam there is a mass exodus of natives happening right this day.
They get terrorized in theyr own neighborhoods by immigrants.
I hope this answered your question and informed you a bit about the truth behind the propoganda.
Don't believe everything you hear.
Especially not from the liberal media.
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