What Is Your Main Grievance with Obama's Presidency?

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Conservatives, what is your main grievance with the Obama presidency?

President Barack Obama lacks legitimacy for the office of President.	0%	[ 0 ]
President Obama is incompetent or lacks executive experience.	11%	[ 4 ]
Obama puts too much faith in government and does not understand decentralized, market-driven dynamics.	17%	[ 6 ]
Obama hates the wealthy, business, and capitalism.	3%	[ 1 ]
He's bad for my self-interest.	0%	[ 0 ]
His administration is corrupt.	17%	[ 6 ]
He doesn't support traditional family values.	3%	[ 1 ]
I'm a liberal or otherwise just checking the poll results.	50%	[ 18 ]

Total votes : 36

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10 Feb 2012, 11:20 am

Magdalena wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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abacacus wrote:

He is inefficient.

For the sake of disclosure, I am about as liberal as it gets.

seconded!

I too would use the word "inefficient" to summarily describe Obama.

But has any president scored particularly high in just his first term?
Remember, had Lincoln not won a second term, he would have been remembered as overseeing a corrupt administration, and commanding an army that rarely seemed to be able to win. But instead, Lincoln is our greatest president, who had saved the union, and had saved America from it's "original sin" of slavery.

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Does it matter? Hindsight is, as they say, 20/20. Bush (arguably) didn't do well in his first term, but he was re-elected, and he did terrible in his second term. The point is that presidents should perform more efficiently and effectively than Obama is performing now. And if they aren't, then a candidate who is more efficient and effective should replace the sitting president. To re-elect a president just because he *might* do better in his second term, is sheer madness.

The quandary here is that, as lousy as Obama has done, he's really the best candidate out there at present. Ron Paul was said to be a good option, but on most issues other than troop withdrawals, he subscribes to a vision of reality that me and most other people don't think is very... realistic.

I was especially displeased with the several instances of Obama surrendering to Wall Street, but anytime I want to kick him out for that reason, I think of how very likely it would be, under a Republican, that we would see ten times as many instances of surrendering to Wall Street than we ever saw out of Obama.

Hey, sometimes the only reason is the best reason.

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10 Feb 2012, 12:27 pm

I don't know what the efficiency claim is about seeing that Obama has accomplished more than Clinton's first term. Clinton's first term was widely seen as a disaster. Presidents don't control the whims of Congress.

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10 Feb 2012, 3:24 pm

Magdalena wrote:

The quandary here is that, as lousy as Obama has done, he's really the best candidate out there at present. Ron Paul was said to be a good option, but on most issues other than troop withdrawals, he subscribes to a vision of reality that me and most other people don't think is very... realistic.

Congressman Paul's naïveté aside, when you take into consideration the actual role of the President, I kind of like the idea of having an avowed Constitutionalist standing guard in the White House to stop an out of control Congress at the gates, a non interventionist enacting our foreign policies and acting as Commander in Chief of our armed forces, and a fiscal conservative writing and approving our nation's budgets.

Aside from that and maybe a few other things I missed, the President doesn't really have as much power or influence as we'd like to believe.

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10 Feb 2012, 3:26 pm

I'm going to say that his admin is corrupt, but I really mean the entire system is corrupt and Obama has done nothing to shake the status quo.

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10 Feb 2012, 5:56 pm

Obviously, the polling options were written by a neo-con, because there are genuine reasons for liberals or people who voted for Obama to not like him.

For example, he didn't push hard enough to pass a payer, healthcare system, he didn't get us out of Iraq war in the time frame he campaigned on, he didn't close Guantanamo Bay, he didn't make the government more transparent, etc etc.

Shame on you for your lack of objective thinking.

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10 Feb 2012, 5:59 pm

donnie_darko wrote:

I'm going to say that his admin is corrupt, but I really mean the entire system is corrupt and Obama has done nothing to shake the status quo.

Yah, he really isn't that different from Bush. What I notice about the Democrats is they try to make compromizes to the republicans (to the point of equating fracking and offshore drilling with renewable energy), but the republicans never budge on anything. It sort of makes me think its a rigged game, and the Democrats mostly just put on the appearance of being opposition. Somehow, cable news media has the brilliance to make the unwashed masses actually believe there's any real difference between the two parties.

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10 Feb 2012, 10:04 pm

Bailing out the banks with free money that doesn't have to be repaid.

Not a legitimate president: Some folks still were not convinced that Obama was born in HI after seeing his birth certificate. Funny thing is McCain was never asked to show his birth certificate and he was born in a base in Panama, which techinacally makes McCain a foreigner :?: . Just wanted to make that point here.

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10 Feb 2012, 11:28 pm

NorthPark wrote:

. Just wanted to make that point here.

But those people who think his birth certificate isn't real are nucking futs. Or are racists, but just don't want to admit it.

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10 Feb 2012, 11:42 pm

And...
he's better than Bush!

Heck, I could be talking about Kermit the Frog.

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10 Feb 2012, 11:45 pm

shrox wrote:

And...
he's better than Bush!

Heck, I could be talking about Kermit the Frog.

Your preachin' to the choir!

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11 Feb 2012, 12:22 am

NorthPark wrote:

. Just wanted to make that point here.

To believe Obama is a foreigner after he produced his birth certificate one would either have to be mentally deficient, insane, or lying about their beliefs.

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11 Feb 2012, 12:30 am

abacacus wrote:

NorthPark wrote:

. Just wanted to make that point here.

To believe Obama is a foreigner after he produced his birth certificate one would either have to be mentally deficient, insane, or lying about their beliefs.

You've just summed up the birther movement.

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11 Feb 2012, 6:13 am

NorthPark wrote:

Bailing out the banks with free money that doesn't have to be repaid.

we haven't had a president nor congress tell a bank to go stick it since 1832

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11 Feb 2012, 8:47 am

He promised to stop wars. We have more wars than before.

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