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anyone adherent to any one ideology will in the end always be wrong,

I love when leftards start the classic "bash the libertarians" topic and they discover that the vast majority of people here are libertarians because asperger--->logic---->libertarianism

I must respectfully disagree with this. I'll admit that AS is what makes me see the world the way that I do. But in the philosophical sense, I've always been more drawn to anarchism than libertarianism. Or to put it another way, in terms of world-view & political philosophy, I'm alot closer to Karl Marx & Peter Kropotkin than I am to Ayn Rand. I am a staunch civil libertarian (important distinction!), however, & always willing to stand up for my right to be left alone!

Asperger---->logic---->libertarianism. That's sophistry.

Asperger---->logic---->Randism---->plutocracy---->oppression. You can keep THAT.

While pragmatism certainly has its place, it fails considerably when it comes to long term preservation of individual liberties. In other words, its hard to be effective over the long term while doing whatever is most expedient in the short term.

An Indian woman has been rewarded for her "bold" decision to leave her marital home within days of the wedding to protest the lack of a toilet in the household, an official said on Thursday.

Anita Narre was handed $10,000 by Sulabh International, a non-profit group, for refusing to defecate in the open and sparking a "toilet revolution" in her village in central Madhya Pradesh, according to the district magistrate.

"Narre motivated other women of her village to coax their partners to build toilets. The village is transformed today, thanks to her bold act," B. Chadrasekhar told AFP over phone.

Narre left the household of Shivram, a labourer, after her marriage in May last year because the house had no toilet. She returned only once he had built one with help from district officials.

Chandrasekhar said a sanitation campaign that offered to build toilets in the district free of cost had hit a roadblock as villagers thought it was "dirty" to have a toilet inside the house.

"Narre's story is changing mindsets and our sanitation drive is back on track," he said.

"Lots of people from nearby villages have also followed suit and requested us to build latrines. We have moved a proposal to make use of Narre's good example and take her help to motivate others to use toilets."

Lack of toilets and other proper sanitation facilities costs India nearly $54 billion a year through hygiene-related illnesses, lost productivity and other factors stemming from poor sanitation, a World Bank study has found.

The problem is especially acute in rural areas where women suffer the most due to lack of proper sanitation facilities.

A UN study in 2010 found more people in India have access to a mobile phone than to a toilet.

India's mobile subscribers totalled around 894 million at the last count, enough to serve more than half of the country's 1.2 billion population.

But just 366 million people -- around a third of the population -- had access to proper sanitation, said the UN study.

Jairam Ramesh, India's rural development minister, on Wednesday called for making India "an open defecation free" country in the next 10 years.

Ramesh said it was shameful that India accounted for almost 60 percent of open defecations in the world, said a statement.

Libertarians believe in defecating wherever the spirit moves you, and the government can just butt out.

How is this a troll? I made my point as concisely as I could; didn't even have to resort to name-calling. All I did was to point out the fallacy of that line of reasoning.

There is nothing about my mind & my experiences that should naturally incline me toward Randism or "libertarianism". Yeah, I qualify as a loner & I'm very defensive about my space, my privacy & my civil liberties. But it does not follow that I should accept social Darwinism, free-market fundamentalism, the cult of wealth & "success", disdain for those less fortunate than myself, & the exultation of a property right & gun rights above all other rights as guiding principles. Furthermore, with many self-styled "libertarians", their regard for individual liberty stops when it comes to gay people or reproductive freedom.

I think marshall was talking about the person you quoted, due to his use of 'letftards'.

now you are talking of what timescale to consider,

not how one goes about to consider it,

Both must be considered, they are both relevant.

as i said any one ideology on its own can never stand up to anything, it is too rigid and too predetermined for the real world, it will fail in the long term where it might give the illusion of function in the short(just as you hinted at)

in the end though it has nothing to do with what you call your ideology, if they dont change with the times and take new information into account then what are they worth?

Some things change, others don't. A proper ideology would function as a foundation or anchor for pragmatic reasoning, but pragmatism alone lacks the strength to defend valid ideas from the tests of time.

yes but im not talking about any ideology here,

not pragmatism not anything,

if you decide to use any one ideology you will fail, no western countries do it at all,
not even dictatorships do,

it is important to consider both short term and long term but again that is timescale,
using a single ideology leads people to become homogenized, it drives a country into two or more parts and all the "fundemantalists" involved become worthless to the rest of society
in countries like the US this has been taken to the extremes, more than 1.5 million american children are without food for one,
all governments today in the west are also hit by many of the same issues, most of them are as bad as they are because they werent flexible enough.