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28 Mar 2012, 3:44 pm

If God does exist then maybe....just maybe ...[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQuWU9t5_U&feature=fvst[/youtube]

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29 Mar 2012, 5:51 pm

The Greek and Roman and still today the Hindu have many goddesses.
One such is the Roman Goddess Minerva or Clementine but she
seems to have a male side too that is named Clemens naturally.

The name seems to mean that one are compassionate and forgiving.
Maybe a very motherly kind of Goddess. Unconditional love.

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29 Mar 2012, 5:56 pm

Joker wrote:

Why are people who dont believe in god talking about him so much :?:

Because religion is a serious topic that affects everyone. Religious people are subverting human rights, science education, and awareness of climate problems. Religion makes otherwise normal people vote against their own best interests thanks to a few issues like abortion or gay marriage. The existence of God or the lack of God undermines everything we do, since it is the basis of a worldview.

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04 Apr 2012, 9:29 am

I agree with AspE and wish I could express it that consistent and to the point.
Religion is more like politics and social control and moral policing.

Read this text by a science researcher Jonathan Haidt on moral system
http://faculty.virginia.edu/haidtlab/mft/index.php Link to his research page
on the Moral Foundations Theory

Quote:

1) Care/harm: ...
2) Fairness/cheating: ...
3) Liberty/oppression: ...
4) Loyalty/betrayal: ...
5) Authority/subversion: ...
6) Sanctity/degradation: ...

He will most likely refine these categories when further research call for revisions.

On my basic level of understanding these 6 or more values explain what religions
try to regulate and have control over. Haidt received much criticism from liberal
atheists for recognizing the values that usually only religious people see value in.

I am a religious atheist so I try to see merit in both his take and the critics take
and I agree with Haidt that these values seems to be part of what it is to be human
but I agree with some atheists that Haidt is way too much into Buddhist and Taoist thinking

Now religion has many other features but this is the political part.

( Off topic to AspE. I like your Avatar is it possible to find a big version of it using google?
Does it have a name? Do you remember where you found it?)

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05 Apr 2012, 2:58 am

Matthew 7

"7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"

If you look for God, you'll find evidence. God can't be truly expressed in theological or scientific rhetoric, because of the subjective nature of human language. I think God can only be experienced directly. Watch out for synchronicity, and don't let ideology or presupposition get in the way of direct experience and knowing. People fight over what to call their selves and what constructs to adopt, but the truth is found in the small still voice and inner calm.

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05 Apr 2012, 8:50 am

Woofer123 wrote:

God.

Who is He? Is 'He' even a 'He'?

What is He like?

Are any of the existing religions/ideologies adequate to know Him?

Does God even exist?

Does science refute His existence?

These are among the questions that as humans, we have naturally over one time or another throughout our lives.

I see God as a myth.

There is so much evidence weighing against the notion of any deity existing for that matter, that it simply is unreasonable to believe that any do exist.

Those are my thoughts. What are yours?

If God exists, It has hadden Itself so well that few can take It seriously.

There is no practical difference between something that exists and cannot be detected and something that does not exist at all.

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05 Apr 2012, 9:42 am

Some believe in the spaghetti monster (pbuh). I believe in the magic space cow. I challenge any person to disprove my god's existance.

Those that believe in Yehwah will state that I am the only believer in such a god, so the case for the existance of my god is weak compared to their god. I say that any entity that requires people's collective belief to exist belongs to the same category as the Easter bunny and Santa Claus.

I respect the beliefs of others. I also believe that the world would be a better place if we didn't have a need to believe in mystical beings that supposedly neglects his children because his mystical and divine plan relies upon the faith of those that suffer. Bleargh!

It is more likely that the watchers of our recorded history, and whose remains are known as that of Neanderthals, were aliens from another planet that bred with the natives due to extended service without leave, and then 'god', or the head watcher/alien smited them for it, also recorded, and then left this place to destroy itself as the experiment we know as earth was now ruined.

If I write that down and store it in a cave some place, do you think the frightened and ignorant survivors of the next apocolypse on this planet will discover it and believe it to be true? Just as people today believe anything they read on the Internet, the people before us believed everything they read, and before mass literacy, everything that they were told.

The root of the problem is that most people don't want to think for themselves, either because it requires effort, or because they are afraid of a less fanciful and comforting alternative.

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05 Apr 2012, 11:32 am

Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:

Some believe in the spaghetti monster (pbuh). I believe in the magic space cow. I challenge any person to disprove my god's existance.

Holy cow!

I don't think anyone really believes in the FSM. It's always amusing when fundamentalists think they do, though.

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06 Apr 2012, 3:11 pm

scubasteve wrote:

On the one hand... A lot of things exist. A lot of very intricate things. The chances of something as incredible as the human brain just coming to be on its own would seem extremely unlikely. And then there is the fact that something - *anything* - ever existed at all. Logically, it shouldn't.

On the other... A lot of things, in a lot of religions, don't make a lot of sense to me either. With many religions, if you ask enough questions, you'll inevitably get some answers that only make sense if you believe what they said in the first place. It seems to fall into a pattern of circular logic until you blindly agree to believe, or blindly refuse to consider it.

(Personally? You could say I'm an atheist. I don't "believe" in anything, per-se. However, I have yet to hear a more rational explanation for how anything exists. And until I do, I'm inclined to go with the majority opinion.)

If you knew more about evolution, you would have fewer instances of confusion. Science has not answered all mysteries, but the complexity of the human brain, for example can be explained through evolution. Don't forget to allow for millions of years for it to do the job. It is hard to believe that water carved the Grand Canyon, but given enough time, it did happen,

The best source of information on evolution and god I have found is "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. There are extensive videos on YouTube on this subject. Be sure to consider the source of each video, however.

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06 Apr 2012, 5:15 pm

Thom_Fuleri wrote:

Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:

Some believe in the spaghetti monster (pbuh). I believe in the magic space cow. I challenge any person to disprove my god's existance.

Holy cow!

I don't think anyone really believes in the FSM. It's always amusing when fundamentalists think they do, though.

The holy cow provides the holy parmesan.

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06 Apr 2012, 11:11 pm

AspE wrote:

Joker wrote:

Why are people who dont believe in god talking about him so much :?:

I am seuclar in regards to my faith I believe you mean catholics and not all religious people I support seperation from church and state for this very reason they should never combine at all under any circumstance.

PS and I am a christian that supports what I just posted :wink:

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