Why do dark skinned males commit so much crime?

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if there were more american businessmen not purely mercenary but of genuine community-mindedness and good will, to serve as mentors to inner-city youth, the numbers [incarceration] would surely improve. we should be getting our talent from our own shores and not simply write off "inconvenient" people as hopeless, in favor of more convenient foreign talent. this kind of typically short-term bottom-line thinking [routine outsourcing] is gonna bite us in the end.

It's certainly not the problem that they aren't helped enough. The government is far too lenient. Last night, fifty of them attacked police who tried to arrest a man who had attempted to shoot people. It took a contingent of riot police to stop them from throwing military-grade illegal fireworks at the arrest team. None of them have been arrested. It wasn't a terrible ghetto, either. I've seen worse, and these houses are paid for by the state. What I'd really wish the government would do is extrapolate. These people show their complete lack of understanding and respect for the police. That means they show a complete lack of understanding for the state. The state pays for their education, health care, housing, welfare and retirement. Why not cut those completely? If they want to break laws, they shouldn't do so while enjoying the benefits of the democratic state that set those laws.

Frankly, they should thank the government on their bare knees for not just evicting them, locking them up and leaving them to their own devices. They're not economically independent. They receive large amounts of rent aid, a lot of them are on a very high welfare level, their education is paid for by the government, and until recently, their university fees were paid through universal government grants. Yet none of those helped; they're criminal in equal or higher levels than African-Americans in the United States. The only thing this system has done was allow them to be unemployed and criminal while being paid by people who were working.



They are in some cases, and not in others. If you're from North America or Australia, I'll tell you something. Europe is even more of a catastrophic failure in dealing with dark-skinned minorities. We've offered them all those things, but they simply culturally prefer not to learn and work. Even with universal government grants for university, there were exceedingly few black people in any university setting I remember - so few I can remember most of them individually. Now that they're going to introduce a 'social student loans' system, that number will drop even further, as a lot of them are probably not willing to accept the idea that they'll have to pay it back.



Which is part of their culture, and part of the problem. It's very regular to be verbally (and sometimes physically) intimidated by groups of them on the streets here. I'd prefer them to have a lower self esteem, and cultural beliefs that commanded them to not give up in education and work rather than not giving up in crime and preferring to talk only to people of the same ethnic group. However, I'm glad you offered these - they could be the missing link in the explanation for their exorbitant crime rates.



Unfortunately, this once again fails to explain the extreme crime rates in dark-skinned individuals and groups in Europe and the United States. In absolute terms, the difference between the poor and the rich in Russia are much higher than in the United States and Europe. There hasn't been a breakdown of social welfare systems. Certainly not here - they're funded from the cradle to the grave here, and dark-skinned individuals are possibly even more likely to be arrested here than in the United States for serious crimes. This comparison fails to account for the fact that they're paid a lot here, but are even more criminal than Russians and African-Americans.

While in The Hague today, I noticed something. There were two neighbourhoods. Both had the same run-down early twentieth-century housing. However, one consisted mainly of dark-skinned individuals, and one consisted mainly of light-skinned individuals, elderly people and those who had bought or rented their first house. There was a giant difference in the atmosphere, with street youths being a problem in the former and not a problem at all in the latter.

Here's another comparison that I'll make. In recent years, we've experienced large groups of Polish people arriving here. However, very few people have noticed, and there is only one minor concern - they're working too hard according to the law, and they're living in bad conditions compared to dark-skinned people on welfare. Why did they succeed at being almost completely employed in just a few years without the right to welfare and state-paid housing where black people didn't in sixty years with all of those options? A lot of people do believe it can be blamed on black culture.



Here's something interesting. Crime rates among dark-skinned people haven't declined in eighty years in advanced economies, even with more and more welfare options being available to them.



It's not the issue of immigration by itself here, and it's certainly not an issue of economic disadvantage. I know some immigrants who came here, simply studied and worked, added value to our labour market and are now living in comfortable houses after just fifteen years here. However, you can blindly expect almost any immigrant from Africa, most from the Caribbean and many from the Middle East to add absolutely nothing to our economy and society and remain in a seemingly permanent cycle of unemployment and crime. In the United States, there seems to be a similar problem - it's not immigration by itself. It's certain groups, many of whom have lived there for decades or even centuries, who are unable or unwilling to take care of themselves while surpassed in almost any field by almost any new minority.



For some reason, it's a bit difficult to believe that any group of newer arrivals has done better than African-Americans, but African-Americans are doing poorly because there's not enough employment. Don't forget that it took until well into the 20th century for those jobs to disappear, while African-Americans have been there since before most European and Asian immigrants even arrived.



Fact of the matter is, they're very well-represented in the industry of selling addiction and toxic substances, more so than any other minority. That's something I blame on a culturally-inspired moral deficit. The environment you're born in makes a difference, but that's mostly the cultural environment you're born in. My cultural environment punished me for kicking a football into someone's garden. My much-detested neighbours have a cultural nest that allows them to play with stolen motor vehicles, throw fireworks at small children and make drug deliveries to pay for their parents buying a new car every three months and owning the largest television I've ever seen.



That's lovely. The way you tell it almost makes it sound like we're entering a peaceful era. However, as practically all politicians in Northern Europe have admitted, the idea of a multicultural society was a means of shooting ourselves in the foot. There's not a society where several cultures exist, positively influencing each other and making for a happy and more enlightened people. In fact, all countries in Europe have one culture and several counter cultures. These people don't mix. We pay for them, and we suffer at their hands. They commit crimes, they run, the police shoots them, and they burn dozens of cars in riots that last for days. They shoot a popular politician, mosques are vandalised, and a popular film maker is murdered. They shoot people, the police attempts to arrest them, and they throw military-grade fireworks at the police without being arrested, leading to even more public anger.



I'm curious. Did this cause their crime rates to explode? Did the government of the United States shoot itself in the foot by being lenient and giving into their demands so as to not be accused of racism?



There's a difference. We've treated them like deities for decades, and they used us as doormats. We've merely taught them feelings of superiority by paying for everything they needed, everything they wanted, and punishing people for saying things that might disadvantage them. Indeed, the political taboo of discussing certain groups keeping to themselves apart from welfare and crime was one of the reasons why that murdered politician wasn't awarded bodyguards while receiving death threats. He was immensely popular, though, he still is ten years after he was murdered, and a lot of people's opinions changed from "we'll just ignore them" to "we need to deport them, shoot them, punish them - whatever, and my children can't hang around with them if they act like this".



They're not feeding their families with this income. Apart from the issue of broken families on welfare, these people have viable alternatives. They're less fancy, but other minorities took to them and were highly-educated and wealthy two generations later. Hell, even black families that decided to stray from the path of displaying themselves as victims and decided to work were able to take this route. It's not all that hard, but there is cultural opposition to it.



This is a pretty appeal to my personal situation. However, these people are given a safety net, most of them do not have any medical conditions, and their unemployment - there's plenty of employment around, even now - results from their unwillingness to accept employment that's uncomfortable to them. My black next-door neighbours could trade in their luxury life of drug trade for a job at McDonalds or working with the municipal garbage authorities, but it would pay less and require more effort. They're not breaking laws because they have to, but because it offers them luxury and comfort while leeching off state money. Their sub/counter-culture not only tolerates, but approves that.



Blame their cultural atttitude. They can apply for these things, study and get out of the situation they're in, but they make the decision not to. Meanwhile, other minorities in similar situations of poverty do take that opportunity and earn money. Vietnamese people, Chinese people - many of them actually fled starvation and arrived with nothing but the clothes they were wearing, then succeeded through work and education. How come dark-skinned people with local ancestry dating back centuries are unable to do that?

And what of the European layabouts who are equally useless? Your father teaches in a school in which there are a large number of minority students. Fair enough. But would his experience be any different in a school in an area populated mostly by unemployed Europeans? White folk are capable of demonstrating all of the same anti-social behaviours that you complain of from black and brown skinned people. But you allow these to go unremarked. You choose to direct your impotent rage at people of a different race, and you display yourself to be an uncritical thinker as a result.

What is the common denominator of participation in organized and violent crime? Poverty. Study after study will demonstrate a stronger link between poverty and crime than any other social factor--including race. That's not to say that wealthy people don't commit crime--they do. But they are considerably less represented among those committing crimes of violence or those participating and gang and criminal organization activity.

Conventional wisdom suggests a cycle. Poor students cannot perform at the same level in school as students who go to school with a full stomach. So poor students tend to drop out of school at higher rates than middle class students. People who lack secondary education are marginalized in the labour market. So many poor students become unemployed labourers. Governments erect barriers to access to welfare. So unemploymed labourers have to find other means to feed, clothe and house themselves.

Now I will grant you that conventional wisdom is no more proof than your link to prison populations. But what I suggest to you is that this conventional wisdom does suggest that there is another way to understand the causes of crime.



You take an anecdote and you pretend that it illustrates a trend. But no evidence of the trend is presented. Are yobs any more respectful than, "these people," of whom you complain?



No, that's how you entrench poverty in a community. It doesn't matter whether the people are black, white or purple, if you set up a system like this, you are setting the community up for failure.

When a person begins with an economic disadvantage, then you cannot expect that person to perform at the same level as a person who was not similarly disadvantaged in the same system. If you expect comparable graduation rates from secondary school you must ensure that students begin school on a level playing field. Not just the same teachers, classrooms and teaching tools, but also the same nutrition, and the same recreational and cultural opportunities.

That sort of ideal is never going to happen, of course. But the education system can, and should, account for the impact that home life has on the performance of students within the system. That's the key to breaking the cycle of poverty (and potentially of crime).



But there's you being uncritical again.

If we have already taken note that the black entries into the prison system are disproporationate to the arrests of black people, then we must accept that there is a differential treatment going on. Black people, once arrested, are more likely to wind up entering prison than white people who are arrested.

So if there is differential treatment after arrest, then it is not unreasonable to hypothesize that there is differential treatment before arrest, as well. Even if we do not have the evidence to make this inference (and we don't), we are still left in the position that we cannot say with any degree of assurance that the proportion of arrests of black people is indicative of the proportion of crimes committed by black people.

As for the Asian population, what proportion of Asian families are living in poverty? Asians were the one group whose poverty rate went down in 2010 in the United States--their poverty level is less than half that of blacks. If you start adjusting crime statistics for poverty rates the conclusion is inescapable: increases in poverty lead to increases in violent crime.

http://economics.fundamentalfinance.com ... ycrime.php

This study took reports of seven index crimes (including four violent crimes) and correlated the incidence of those crimes with a variety of independent variables, including race, demographic factors, employment status, personal income per capita, and percentage of the population below the poverty level.

Soccer Thugs and Hockey Hooligans. And skin heads too.

ruveyn

If I may make an observation:
I think HisDivineMajesty comes from a society with an "us against them" mentality. I won't deny that such a mindset doesn't exist in America, but it's much more prominent in Europe.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

this question is an ideological crime

That kind of attitude is more class-based than anything. The same lack of respect existed where I was growing up amongst poor whites. My parents brought me up differently, but it was hell with my peers. I think being an aspie anyway is what kept me on track. You get black kids who grow up the same as me, but I suppose they're the exceptions that prove the rule.

I'm of the opinion that human beings are neither evolved well or adapt easily to the complexity of hetergenous modern cultures. I'm not suggesting you don't have a real societial problem in previously homogenous northern european countries in adapting to heterogenity. However what I am definitely suggesting is it's not just an issue of color. Human beings do discriminate on the basis of differences in others whether it is cultural or physical differences..

However, the issue where I lived was never a scary one for the white folks, it was a scary one for the African Americans who who only several decades ago had to fear for their lives in driving through a rural community at night that was completely segregated less than 30 miles from where I lived.

The African American individuals in the military had to be warned not to drive into those areas, at that time.

It appears you are in somewhat the opposite position, as well as some others were you live. That is also still the case in some areas of the US, but it is not the same where I live as it is in major urban areas.

In Russia racism is a huge issue, with African Russians referred to as Monkeys on the street, along with similar issues with other non-ethnic Russians, demographics. It is a scary place to live for many of those non-ethnic Russians individuals.

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that you have come across African Americans in your culture that you have determined as noteworthy of respect. I cannot provide a full opinion on where you live, because I don't have that personal experience. The relationships of African Americans and those of other ethnic backgrounds are extremely peaceful in my area. It is a non-issue; even though unemployment is high. The impoverished ethnic groups take care of each other within the subcultural communities, which are determined, in large, by the cost of housing and distance from grocery stores, for those that don't have vehicles.

In the next county with a much higher urban population, there are some drug problems and gang problems among several ethnic groups. But, minor as compared to what you describe where you live and what exists at higher levels in higher populated urban areas in the US.

Perhaps the problem in countries that are much smaller, than the United States, is that there is not as much opportunity to relocate to an area where a subcultural identity can be established and maintained through a way of life, that most are comfortable with, if that is their desire in life. It appears to make a difference in my area, and other areas in the US. Racism still exists in my area, but it is mild, considering how many african americans have determined to make this as their home, per the different areas they have traveled in their military careers, at retirement. I suppose the overall military element in my community provides more comfort for those of many ethnic backgrounds, including Asians, Pacific Islanders, and Hispanics.

That said, I won't travel through a neighborhood known for drug activity in my general regional location, if it is identified as such no matter what the ethnic background is. Fortunately I have the choice and ability to live in a neighborhood, where there is no such activity.

My father was in lawenforcement in a larger metropolitan are for 43 years. His attitude toward ethnic groups is not nearly the same as mine, because of his experience in lawenforcement. However he lives in a upscale neighborhood, with African American neighbors whom are extremely prosperous. The issue of crime among some of that demographic is in complete opposition to those who have found the same levels of success in life, that my father found, whom are his neighbors.

It is likely that if you lived in a neighborhood with highly properous African Americans, your opinion of this would be greatly different. There is no visible difference in subcultural attitudes among those individuals, many of whom work in State Goverments. They go to work with Suits and Ties, just like their Caucasian neighbors. Eat in upscale restaurants, and their children go to the finest Universities in the region.

On the other in hand in my area, there are impoverished African Americans that would give a Caucasian individual the shirt off the back if they needed it. I'm not much of a religious individual, but the African Americans, overall in my area, are extremely dedicated to organized religion. It is a big part of their cultural identity; drugs and crime are not an accepted part of it.

I have no idea what measure of that element exists in your society, but it appears to make a real difference in my area, per cultural identity and acceptable behavior.

I can't believe that people even needed to ask this question. I mean, think about it. It comes down to poverty. People commit crime (or, more accurately, are incarcerated for committing crime) because of class problems, not racial problems. It just seems so obvious to me and I don't understand how this can be used as justification for racism.

I cannot agree with you more here like I stated before it can happen to ANYBODY. If a group of caucasians were stuck in the same situation I am sure alot of them would resort to crime too.

Not all skinheads are neo-Nazis. In fact, check out the first item in this list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggae_genres

It's a very misunderstood and media-stereotyped culture.

People are skinheads so they can look more muscular.

You're right - lack of respect for education is a problem in most areas with socioeconomic issues. It can and does exist in it's own right.

This is an essential part of the problem - that often racism and classism are mixed together so in these situations you find it more difficult to tell them apart.

In the U.S., the racism is used to hide, excuse or justify the classism.
In Latin America, the classism is used to hide, excuse or justify the racism.

Both of them are problems and both of them are almost always entwined to some extent, it's when you try to figure out to what extent that the problems begin.

Or you can be losing your hair, and just have it shaved off, like me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Caboki that skin head away, in minutes!

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The guys I knew kinda prove ruveyn's point about skinheads being, um, less than respectable citizens. But while most would look at them and instantly associate them (the white ones anyway) with the white power movement, they were actually violently anti-racist.