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27 Jun 2012, 7:43 pm

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Here are some of Adolf's quotes:

http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitler ... ithGod.htm

In light of Adolph's statement "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator", he must have been okay, then.

Not really he used religion as a weapon

Well, doesn't everybody?

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27 Jun 2012, 7:44 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

Joker wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

Not really he used religion as a weapon

Well, doesn't everybody?

I don't

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27 Jun 2012, 7:56 pm

Some tidbits from Deepak Chopra

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 04,00.html

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SHOULD THE DEATHS OF MORE THAN 150,000 PEOPLE FROM THE TSUNAMI AFFECT OUR IMAGE OF GOD? Actually, our image of God is outmoded anyway, whether the tsunami occurs or not. Religion has become divisive, quarrelsome and idiotic. Religion is the reason we have all this conflict in the world. We have squeezed God into the volume of a body and the span of a lifetime; given God a male identity, an ethnic background; made him a tribal chief and gone to war. Yet people are not ready to forsake their image of God.

WHY DO YOU BELIEVE GOD IS A WOMAN? I think God is more likely to be a woman because women are nurturing and caring and loving. The human male has become the most predatory animal on our planet. It's time that we embrace the feminine face of God.

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27 Jun 2012, 7:59 pm

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Some tidbits from Deepak Chopra

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 04,00.html

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Their would still be conflict in the world if their was no religion.

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28 Jun 2012, 12:44 am

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The snide remarks are just that: snide remarks. They do not answer the call of the question. I will ask again: What proof do you have that Hitler was anti-secularist. Cite your proof and your sources.

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What, you can deal but can't take? There isn't really anything snide about pointing out your repeatedly used debate tactic of utilizing appeal to authority. As for sources, Mein Kampf, the book you claimed to have read and obviously haven't

No, I just happened to have known Gertrude Junge, who was Hitler's personal secretary once upon a time. She told me many things. And I've read other sources and taken a few history courses in college. Now then, little boy, you made a statment: Hitler was anti-secular. Prove it! Put up or shut up! The snide remarks only make you look like an idiot because they prove nothing. Prove your statement!

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28 Jun 2012, 12:58 am

Vigilans wrote:

Adolf Hitler wrote:

We Will Fight the Atheistic Movement

We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933

Adolf Hitler wrote:

Secular Schools Cannot be Tolerated

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people.

April 26, 1933, speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant

Hey Longshanks - if you engage in the fine and noble art of READING, you might find these posted above by Vigilans.

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28 Jun 2012, 1:18 am

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please show us your sources then,

actual independantly verified sources.

even hitler could, over time have deluded himself to think anything, just as any other person can, including his secretary.(not that that means i actually believe that little story of yours, pics or it didnt happen as it were :wink:

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28 Jun 2012, 6:44 am

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I already posted some remarks from Hitler you half-wit bigot liar, I suggest you read above
"I knew Gertrude Junge" Yeah? I have a Brooklyn bridge to sell you
Stop with the appeals to authority, they are completely meaningless and just expose how much of a bullshitter you are. Nobody here has any way to verify what you're saying, which is exactly why you choose to debate in that fashion. You have no substance, your points all rely on "Well I knew so and so" "I worked in the DoD" "Hitler was my home boy". You ask for sources yet you provide none, other than yourself, which is not a verifiable source, or a credible one for that matter.

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29 Jun 2012, 7:30 pm

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Hey - you brought it up. And I don't give a dung heap what you believe or don't believe. I knew Gertrude through her great-niece, who I dated while in college. But here are some quotes for you to read:

"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." Hitler quoted by Heiden, Konrad (1935). A History of National Socialism. A.A. Knopf, Page 100.

"Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity." Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed. (2000). Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944. Trans. Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. New York: Engima Books, p. 343.

So Hitler wasn't a Christian either. And one last thing: Your inflamitory remarks and name-calling above only prove my point about you - you are a two-year old little boy in a man's body who sucks his thumb and still needs to have his diapers changed by his mama.

Have a nice life, Vigilans.

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29 Jun 2012, 7:45 pm

Longshanks wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

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Hey - you brought it up. And I don't give a dung heap what you believe or don't believe. I knew Gertrude through her great-niece, who I dated while in college. But here are some quotes for you to read:

"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." Hitler quoted by Heiden, Konrad (1935). A History of National Socialism. A.A. Knopf, Page 100.

"Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity." Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed. (2000). Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944. Trans. Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. New York: Engima Books, p. 343.

So Hitler wasn't a Christian either. And one last thing: Your inflamitory remarks and name-calling above only prove my point about you - you are a two-year old little boy in a man's body who sucks his thumb and still needs to have his diapers changed by his mama.

Have a nice life, Vigilans.

Longshanks

Very clever retort. And, you've proved my point: that you are no Christian.

By the way, two-year-olds can't type. So, Vigilans must be older than 2.

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29 Jun 2012, 7:59 pm

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I don't care whether that matters to you or not, I am pointing out the futility and arrogance of using the argument from authority or experience on an internet forum where this experience cannot even be verified except by giving personal details. I would not want you to do this, because I am a firm believer in privacy, and I would not want you to risk yours just to prove a point on an internet board. So all I ask is if you want to debate, provide facts and not personal anecdotes. Anecdotes are worthless. It is not anything personal against you.

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"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." Hitler quoted by Heiden, Konrad (1935). A History of National Socialism. A.A. Knopf, Page 100.

That proves what? That he wanted Germans to deify the state? Tell me something I didn't know. Sounds like a Tea Party rally slogan if anything. Are Tea Partiers atheists because they consider fanatical faith in America a virtue?

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"Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity." Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed. (2000). Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944. Trans. Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. New York: Engima Books, p. 343.

I have seen this quote before, and the consensus is that it was poorly translated and of extremely questionable validity

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So Hitler wasn't a Christian either. And one last thing: Your inflamitory remarks and name-calling above only prove my point about you - you are a two-year old little boy in a man's body who sucks his thumb and still needs to have his diapers changed by his mama.

Have a nice life, Vigilans.

But he was a Christian. You can stuff your fingers into your ears, close your eyes and shout over any sound, but that does not change the fact

Aww, that's a cute rebuke. You regularly insinuate, make snide remarks, generalize demographics and insult them, and engage in dishonest debate tactics, which is why I am not wearing kid gloves with you. If you can't take it, don't dish it out

I notice your response to the quotes I provided from Hitler is, unsurprisingly, absent

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30 Jun 2012, 12:22 am

Many of Hitler's ideas are actually based on Old Norse paganism.

As far as hell goes, Christians can't even decide on what exactly hell is. But I am absolutely certain that both Hitler and Stalin are there.

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30 Jun 2012, 12:26 am

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I think given time, had the Third Reich persevered, the Nazis would have organized a state religion, with new testaments added to the Bible glorifying the Aryan race, passages that describe the "divine order of racial hierarchy", and probably include a lot of occult and Norse symbolism to give it a more German feel.

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30 Jun 2012, 8:31 am

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The Book of Mormon has some of those features.

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30 Jun 2012, 10:00 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

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The Book of Mormon has some of those features.

Yeah, that book really sucks and its author was one of the most successful con artists in history

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30 Jun 2012, 10:05 am

I guess being presented with statements from Hitler that throw his limited worldview into the trash was too much for Longshanks

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