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02 Jul 2012, 9:58 pm

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why should anyone give a ---- what God's name is?


Only you can answer that question.


Really? As someone who evidently gives a damn what God's name is, I'd been hoping you might have a reason, thereby lending me insight into the minds of theists.


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02 Jul 2012, 10:03 pm

It is written:
"He saith, 'It is better to know My name, and not need Me, than to need Me, and not know My name.'"

Another thing, what if He dies and has left you in His will? And it's in the newspapers? It says,
"---- has died." And you don't know from dirt who the hell --- is! You've missed your big chance.



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02 Jul 2012, 10:39 pm

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"Yahweh" does not appear in Matthew 6:9 or John 17:6. I'd like to know where the Name appears in the New Testament.


Then tell me who do you think Jesus was referring to?

Does the Name appear in the New Testament or not?


You have all the tools at your disposal. Your have a copy of the bible. You have the various scriptures I quoted. You also have your God given intellect. You can use your powers of reason to answer your own question.


Better question - why should anyone give a damn what God's name is? No, seriously - even if one is a theist, what does it matter what His name is unless one intends on trying to look Him up in a phone book in Heaven?


It matters so we can all agree on what his name is.



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02 Jul 2012, 10:55 pm

I just call him God. I figure everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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02 Jul 2012, 11:02 pm

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I just call him God. I figure everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I know who you are talking about. I call him EL LA.



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02 Jul 2012, 11:11 pm

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I just call him God. I figure everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I know who you are talking about. I call him EL LA.


Sounds good to me.

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03 Jul 2012, 12:33 am

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I just call him God. I figure everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

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The Muslims call their god Allah which is an Arabic word for God. They say "in Allah's name, the merciful," but they never, ever say his name. Why is it important Jehovah God set himself apart as distinct by his name?

The Bible writer Agur asked: “Who has gathered the wind in the hollow of both hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in a mantle? Who has made all the ends of the earth to rise? What is his name and what the name of his son?” (Proverbs 30:4) In effect, Agur was asking, ‘Do you know the name or family line of any man who has done these things?’ Only God has the power to control natural forces. While the creation provides powerful proof that God exists, it is silent about the name of God. In fact, we could never know God’s name unless God himself revealed it to us. And he has. At Isaiah 42:8 he states “I am Jehovah, that is my name.” There's no we or us, but I as in the singular... a single person.

God’s unique name, Jehovah, occurs nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures alone. Jesus Christ made that name known to others and praised it before them. (John 17:6, 26) That name is found in the last book of the Bible as a part of the expression “Hallelujah,” meaning “praise Jah.” And “Jah” is the shortened form of “Jehovah.” (Revelation 19:1-6) Yet, many modern Bibles seldom use that name. They often use the word “LORD” or “GOD,” written in all capital letters to set it apart from the common titles “Lord” and “God.” Some scholars suggest that the divine name may have been pronounced Yahweh.

Why such differing views about the name of the greatest Personage in the universe? The problem began centuries ago when the Jews superstitiously ceased to pronounce the divine name and started to substitute the Hebrew word for “Sovereign Lord” whenever they came to the divine name as they read the Scriptures. Since Biblical Hebrew was written without vowels, there is no way to know precisely how Moses, David, and others of ancient times pronounced the letters that make up the divine name. However, the English pronunciation, Jehovah, has been in use for centuries, and its equivalent in many languages is widely accepted today.—Exodus 6:3; Isaiah 26:4, King James Version.

Though there is uncertainty about how God’s name was pronounced in ancient Hebrew, its meaning is not a complete mystery. His name means “He Causes to Become.” Jehovah God thereby identifies himself as the Great Purposer. He always causes his purposes and promises to become reality. Only the true God, who has the power to do this, can rightfully bear that name.—Isaiah 55:11.

Unquestionably, the name Jehovah serves to distinguish Almighty God from all other gods. That is why that name appears so often in the Bible. While many translations fail to use the divine name, Psalm 83:18 clearly states in many unaltered editions of the bible: “You, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” During his ministry, Jesus Christ taught his followers: “You must pray, then, this way: ‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.’” (Matthew 6:9) We should, then, use God’s name when we pray, speak of him, and praise him before others.


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03 Jul 2012, 12:43 am

kxmode wrote:
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I just call him God. I figure everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Muslims call their god Allah which is an Arabic word for God. They say "in God's name, the merciful," but they never, ever say his name. Why is it important God set himself apart as distinct by his name? Do you know why God gave himself a name?

The Bible writer Agur asked: “Who has gathered the wind in the hollow of both hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in a mantle? Who has made all the ends of the earth to rise? What is his name and what the name of his son?” (Proverbs 30:4) In effect, Agur was asking, ‘Do you know the name or family line of any man who has done these things?’ Only God has the power to control natural forces. While the creation provides powerful proof that God exists, it is silent about the name of God. In fact, we could never know God’s name unless God himself revealed it to us. And he has. At Isaiah 42:8 he states “I am Jehovah, that is my name.” There's no we or us, but I as in the singular... a single person.

God’s unique name, Jehovah, occurs nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures alone. Jesus Christ made that name known to others and praised it before them. (John 17:6, 26) That name is found in the last book of the Bible as a part of the expression “Hallelujah,” meaning “praise Jah.” And “Jah” is the shortened form of “Jehovah.” (Revelation 19:1-6) Yet, many modern Bibles seldom use that name. They often use the word “LORD” or “GOD,” written in all capital letters to set it apart from the common titles “Lord” and “God.” Some scholars suggest that the divine name may have been pronounced Yahweh.

Why such differing views about the name of the greatest Personage in the universe? The problem began centuries ago when the Jews superstitiously ceased to pronounce the divine name and started to substitute the Hebrew word for “Sovereign Lord” whenever they came to the divine name as they read the Scriptures. Since Biblical Hebrew was written without vowels, there is no way to know precisely how Moses, David, and others of ancient times pronounced the letters that make up the divine name. However, the English pronunciation, Jehovah, has been in use for centuries, and its equivalent in many languages is widely accepted today.—Exodus 6:3; Isaiah 26:4, King James Version.

Though there is uncertainty about how God’s name was pronounced in ancient Hebrew, its meaning is not a complete mystery. His name means “He Causes to Become.” Jehovah God thereby identifies himself as the Great Purposer. He always causes his purposes and promises to become reality. Only the true God, who has the power to do this, can rightfully bear that name.—Isaiah 55:11.

Unquestionably, the name Jehovah serves to distinguish Almighty God from all other gods. That is why that name appears so often in the Bible. While many translations fail to use the divine name, Psalm 83:18 clearly states in many unaltered editions of the bible: “You, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.” During his ministry, Jesus Christ taught his followers: “You must pray, then, this way: ‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.’” (Matthew 6:9) We should, then, use God’s name when we pray, speak of him, and praise him before others.


I'm still just calling him God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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03 Jul 2012, 12:51 am

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I'm still just calling him God.


If I knew your name but I continued to call you "You" how would that feel? "You this." "You that." "You, can you please help me out?" "You, my son's team really needs to win the big game this weekend, please make it happen." Would you listen? God's name, a name He gave himself, is found nearly 7,000 times in Bible. His son told people to sanctified his name. (Matthew 6:9) Jehovah God WANTS people to know his name. Why? The first step in establishing a close personal relationship is to know someone's name. (John 17:3; James 4:8)



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03 Jul 2012, 12:57 am

kxmode wrote:
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I'm still just calling him God.


If I knew your name but I continued to call you "You" how would that feel? "You this." "You that." "You, can you please help me out?" "You, my son's team really needs to win the big game this weekend, please make it happen." Would you listen? God's name, a name He gave himself, is found nearly 7,000 times in Bible. His son told people to sanctified his name. (Matthew 6:9) Jehovah God WANTS people to know his name. Why? The first step in establishing a close personal relationship is to know someone's name. (John 17:3; James 4:8)


I'm pretty certain God knows who I'm talking to when I pray to him as God. On top of that, Jesus had said, "Ask anything in my name, and I will do it for you." And guess what - I refer to Jesus by name.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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03 Jul 2012, 1:09 am

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I'm pretty certain God knows who I'm talking to when I pray to him as God. On top of that, Jesus had said, "Ask anything in my name, and I will do it for you." And guess what - I refer to Jesus by name.


I don't doubt your sincerity when you prayer and it's encouraging to hear that you pray. Many don't. But you have to admit if you know God's name and you pray to him but you never use his name then how personal can your prayers be? Also Jesus said: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) I hope when you pray you pray in Jesus' name NOT to Jesus directly.

Some things to think about.


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03 Jul 2012, 1:21 am

kxmode wrote:
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I'm pretty certain God knows who I'm talking to when I pray to him as God. On top of that, Jesus had said, "Ask anything in my name, and I will do it for you." And guess what - I refer to Jesus by name.


I don't doubt your sincerity when you prayer and it's encouraging to hear that you pray. Many don't. But you have to admit if you know God's name and you pray to him but you never use his name then how personal can your prayers be? Also Jesus said: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) I hope when you pray you pray in Jesus' name NOT to Jesus directly.

Some things to think about.


As a Trinitarian, I believe Christ is part of God, along with the Father, and the Holy Spirit. So praying in his name, or praying to him, same thing as far as I'm concerned.
And I can pray to God, calling him God, Yahweh, or Hey You, it's still going to be personal.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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03 Jul 2012, 1:25 am

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I just call him God. I figure everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I know who you are talking about. I call him EL LA.


Sounds good to me.

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Elah is the Aramaic Name for God Jesus spoke Aramaic so I call God Elah for that very reason.



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03 Jul 2012, 1:29 am

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I just call him God. I figure everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I know who you are talking about. I call him EL LA.


Sounds good to me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Elah is the Aramaic Name for God Jesus spoke Aramaic so I call God Elah for that very reason.


I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Again, to quote the Bard, "A rose by any other name."

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03 Jul 2012, 1:33 am

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I just call him God. I figure everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I know who you are talking about. I call him EL LA.


Sounds good to me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Elah is the Aramaic Name for God Jesus spoke Aramaic so I call God Elah for that very reason.


I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Again, to quote the Bard, "A rose by any other name."

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Thanks though it sounds a lot like Allah. My mother thinks it's neat but. People at my church think it's kinda weird. They don't much care for aramaic even though that is the language Jesus spokie.



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03 Jul 2012, 1:39 am

Joker wrote:
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I just call him God. I figure everyone else knows who I'm talking about.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I know who you are talking about. I call him EL LA.


Sounds good to me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Elah is the Aramaic Name for God Jesus spoke Aramaic so I call God Elah for that very reason.


I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Again, to quote the Bard, "A rose by any other name."

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Thanks though it sounds a lot like Allah. My mother thinks it's neat but. People at my church think it's kinda weird. They don't much care for aramaic even though that is the language Jesus spokie.


Do they suppose he spoke Hebrew?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer