Why having universal healthcare in America would be bad

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I really don't want to get too much into politics, but here's the thing:

Europe is social-democratic,

From Wikipedia:

...social democracy is a political ideology that considers itself to be a form of reformist democratic socialism.

...it views the development of socialism as connected with the evolution of capitalism.

I.E.social-democracy practices capitalist economics, which is to say it is not actually socialist, which rejects capitalism.

What is failing in Europe isn't universal healthcare or nationalized industry, it's a mixture of reformist socialism with capitalism that's failing.

The welfare-state was an attempt to mold socialist practices with capitalist economics, and it isn't doing so well in 2012, now is it?

Capitalism's inherent weaknesses(I.E. class struggle against the working-class, rampant inequality, corporate control of government etc.) never disappeared under social-democracy. They are still there. The efforts to "fix" capitalism with socialist ideals has failed.

Under socialism, the capitalists' industries would be expropriated and be put under either government control, as in the case of the former Soviet Union, or under workers' control, which has happened in the past(in Russia, Spain, etc.).

Socialism has nothing to do with why Europe's Euro-Zone is falling to pieces.

I know too little about healthcare in the US to be able to debate meaningfuly about it. But I can provide some information, because... we have universal healthcare in Colombia. And some of you may find my knowledge on that matter useful.

The Mixed Economy is, thus far, the most successful economic model to date. There are ethical and some political objections, perhaps, but purely on results, the Mixed Economy wins.

ruveyn

The European Nations have a mixed economy., Which is also what the U.S. and Canada have.

The Mixed Economy is, thus far, the most successful economic model to date. There are ethical and some political objections, perhaps, but purely on results, the Mixed Economy wins.

A single payer healthcare system is the best option.

Agreed. But the trick is getting the Republicans to accept that fact, especially after they've come to believe their own BS about "socialism."

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Their views on "Socialism." Goes all the way back to Reagan that will never change.

Sadly, that may be true.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

A single payer healthcare system is the best option.

Only if well off folks can get their medical care privately.

ruveyn

I don't think that's ever been excluded as a possibility by any proposed plan including HR 676.

...That’s Because Washington Has Essentially
Robbed Conservative Investors Blind …

Federal Chairman Ben Bernanke and his colleagues have not only pushed their targeted interest rate to near zero, but they continue to dream up new and inventive ways to further manipulate the debt markets through endless rounds of “quantitative easing.”

Case in point: The extension of their so-called “Operation Twist” less than two weeks ago.

Because of these concerted (and unprecedented) efforts, today’s 10-year Treasury bond won’t even give you 2 percent a year in interest.

In fact, you can BORROW money for a 30-year mortgage at about 3.5 percent right now!

Most investors don’t seem to care, of course.

Here’s a chart of the Dow Jones CBOT Treasury Index, which is a composite of 30-year, 10-year and 5-year U.S. Treasury bond futures

As you can see, lots of folks have been plowing headlong into “risk-free” government debt of all stripes … even despite the pathetic yields they’re getting in return.

Yet these people SHOULD care.

The Fed’s actions — and the resulting low interest rates — are essentially stealing money from responsible savers and retirees all across the country and using the proceeds to bail out banks, reckless borrowers, and a whole host of people folks who hardly deserve the help.

To make matters worse, this activity is virtually guaranteed to continue for a couple more years … at the very least.

There’s No Better Time to Declare Your Own
Income Independence Than Right Now!

There’s absolutely no reason you have to accept today’s low interest rates … especially not when doing so is simply giving Washington more money to squander away on blown budgets, bridges to nowhere, or misguided bailout policies.

Instead, I want you to know that what I saw five years ago is still true right now — plenty of American companies continue to offer investors much fairer returns on their investment dollars.

That’s right. You can go out there right now and buy solid dividend-paying companies that offer yields two or three times as high as Treasury bonds.

Moreover, you will probably see those dividend payments GROW with each and every successive year. That means a higher and higher yield based on your original investment.

And perhaps the best part is that investing in these firms is arguably doing a lot more to stimulate the U.S. economy than all the government’s failed attempts have...