The Westboro Baptist Church and other Bible Thumpers

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For the record, Lutheranism - including my own Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (hardly a bastion of liberal modernist theology) - sees Revelation as a minor book of the Bible at best. Luther himself thought the book wasn't actually inspired, and shouldn't have been canonized.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

They follow the bible, unlike other Christians, this is what biblical morality is.

In the bible God ordered 2 bears to maul 42 children for making fun of a bald guy, he ordered moses to have his men rip babies out of pregnant women

One thing i really hate is those anti abortion protestors, i disagree with abortion, but they use God to fight their case, if anyone has read the bible they would understamd God has absolutely NO problem with abortion. Next protest i see at Planned Parenthood protest, im gonna counter protest with picket signs with quotes from the bible of God supporting abortion to expose those hypocrites as the hypocrites they hypocritically try to hypocritize

A strawman argument is where you represent an opponents arguments incorrectly, so as to debunk them more easily.

I'm representing my own beliefs as what they are.

Next time you want to use a word like 'strawman', make sure you look up what it means first.

"You seem to want Christians to believe in the damnation of homosexuals as a special category."

Looks exactly like a strawman argument to me.

Heck if I know... Whether someone is saved or not depends on their acceptance of Christ as Savior, not whether they think one way or another about gay marriage or LGBT "rights," etc. But I do think that a professing Christian who believes active homosexual behavior and gay marriage are Biblical is either not a Christian or is badly misinformed. I don't see much point in calling yourself a Christian if you don't believe the Bible.


It's not relevant at all. I've already explained why it is I don't believe that WBC is Christian. Other Christians do not believe essentially the same views as them.


But it's more complicated than that. You're not going to hell for being faced with unwanted SSA. You're going to hell for not accepting God's grace.


Well, there is another problem here that we have to deal with. The WrongPlanet forums TOC doesn't allow for the expression of opinions that the mods consider homophobic. If I go back to the Bible on condemnation of homosexuality, I'm making a statement of fact. If I said that I supported criminalization, then I could possibly be banned from this website. I may not agree with you on some issues, but I will make every effort to respect you and your right to express your opinions. All I ask is that you'd give me at least that much in return.

As for the WBC, there's not really much I can say on the issue of criminalization other than what I've already said. Is homosexuality harmful to society? That seems to me a straight up/down, yes/no kind of question. Either it is harmful or it isn't. I'd say that if it is harmful, then it should be criminalized just like anything else we find to be harmful. If it is NOT harmful, then it should NOT be criminalized. I could probably say more, but for the sake of continued participation here on WP, I think it's best we move on to something else.

were it up to me you would be banned for insinuating it, i dont have tolerance for those that dehumanize.

Um...

If you don't think it is harmful, why do you call it aberrant behavior and sinful? And why did you make the comment that proper Christians would try to get homosexuals to turn to God? This is the same thread, you do understand this, right? I think you said enough as it is.

Thank you for proving my points that 1.) it is silly to say the WBC is not Christian if other Christians believe the same things, and 2.) most anti-gay Christians are cowards when it comes down to it.

And it is also cowardly for another reason: stating homosexuality should be criminalized will not get you banned. How many anti-Muslim threads popped up and the people are still here? You'll get banned if you directly attack a person, not an idea, etc.

Aberrent is a subjective concept. Harmful is or can be objective.

Second, what makes you think some homosexuals are not turned to God.? Zeus, Jove and Jupiter had nothing against homosexuality. Or do you think your God is the only God? There are lots of them.

ruveyn

I find it hard to believe that those feelings don't contribute to someone thinking it is harmful, specially coming from a spiritual standpoint.

The second part was about a reference he made earlier about WBC not being able to turn homosexuals to Chrisitianity back a couple pages. I didn't mean to come off like that. I'm not Christian.

I'm just saying what the Bible says. Seriously, it doesn't matter whether I think it's harmful or not, or whether any other human being thinks it's harmful or not. IS it harmful? If you can prove that homosexuality is harmful to society, you've got a case for criminalization. The Bible says that it is sinful. It harms the relationship between man and God, as does all forms of sin. If you have a theocracy just like the ancient Israelites, an entire nation in covenant submission to God, then knowingly and willfully allowing such behavior invites the wrath of God on the entire community. If this is really the case, then the wrongdoer is called to repent or die. OT law really is that simple.

In a secular society, can you really make the same claims as you would in a theocracy?


Proper Christians would try to get ALL PEOPLE to turn to God. Homosexuals are included just as are all sinners.


Never said that. WBC does not believe the same things other Christians believe. That much is evident in what they do.


I don't see how you've proven this at all.


Yes, it will. Are you trying to bait me into saying something that would get me banned? That somewhat resembles a personal attack. That's also against TOS.

You appear to be trying to provoke me into saying something homophobic. So please drop it before mods have to get involved.


The TOS doesn't mention attacks on religion, actually. Remarks that the mods see as homophobic are not tolerated here.

Oh, I see. You quoted two sentences of mine, making me think you were objecting to the second, and ignoring the word 'seem' in the first.

The point of the entire original quote was not so much to speculate on iBlockhead's opinions as to state mine. If he wants to tell me that my speculation on his opinion is wrong, I'm sure he's capable of doing so.

This is the second time you've insinuated that AngelRho is a coward, and the second time you haven't bothered even attempting to explain why.

There are of course plenty of gays who have deeply held religious beliefs. A gay friend who lives in downtown Spokane has attended the Pride Mass at a local Catholic Church, and there is a church that specifically caters to the gay community here.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

When your speculation ends up that far off, it's called "twisting his words".

Also keep in mind that it is common to restate what you understand as someone's position to make sure you actually understand it. It's not so much a straw man as it is just misunderstanding. If someone accuses me of straw man, I find it useful to ask them to please clarify so I can formulate a more appropriate response. More often, though, people purposefully misrepresent another view to "win" an argument. I tend to ignore statements like that since they aren't really worth the time.

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