30 Jul 2012, 7:09 pm
LennytheWicked wrote:
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Well, we'd have different types of crime.
We'd have a whole new class of criminal all the sudden is what we'd have. Not everyone, to put it lightly, is going to surrender theirs like good little sheep.
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Like with the prohibition, there would become a black market for guns, but that would mostly be contained to the people connected with the black market since guns tend not to be an addiction or as popular of a social thing.
We'd have people buying guns to protect themselves and their families at the risk of imprisonment. "Better to be judged by 12 can carried by 6" as the old saying goes.
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And many of the people who buy guns live in more rural areas, whereas during the prohibition bootlegging was more common in large cities.
More of them in the cities and suburbs than you think. There has been a significant increase in first time gun owners since 2009.
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However, I see absolutely no reason why automatic weapons should be available for civilian use. You don't need a freaking machine gun for self-defense or hunting, which are the only reasons anyone should ever use their gun.
Then you don't need a freaking car that can go over the speed limit, either. Ever look into how many traffic fatalities there are?
That was too easy.
30 Jul 2012, 9:43 pm
30 Jul 2012, 10:20 pm
Shau wrote:
This is the harsh reality of it, folks:
Until the US can sort out it's cultural problems, they probably NEED the guns, because they DO have a society full of criminals armed to the damn teeth. It's a shame, but it's the truth.
Until the US can sort out it's cultural problems, they probably NEED the guns, because they DO have a society full of criminals armed to the damn teeth. It's a shame, but it's the truth.
Our cultural problems are nothing that an improved economy wouldn't help considerably right now. We're a melting pot and always have been so cultural issues are par for the course.
We're going to have guns weather we need them or not because a lot of us like (or love) them, even those sinister black ones.
I find it rather ironic, even arrogant, that your'e avatar is a gangster holding a Thompson sub-machinegun while you're telling us that we're all armed criminals.
30 Jul 2012, 10:35 pm
Now before I start, please understand that I put a bit of zing into that last response in order to provoke responses. You put things nicely, and people tend to ignore you. Want responses? Put some zing into it.
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Our cultural problems are nothing that an improved economy wouldn't help considerably right now.
How come a tough economic situation isn't giving New Zealand the same problems? Does America NEED to be on top of it's economic game in order to prevent people from going around shooting each other?
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We're a melting pot and always have been so cultural issues are par for the course.
This is incorrect. New Zealand is a melting pot, as much as I ever experienced America to be. We're stuffed to the brim with Chinese, Koreans, Japenese, Malays, Singaporeans, Maoris, Tongans, Indians, even American expatriates like me. People flock to NZ for it's cheap and quality education, one of the few places you get both at the same time.
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We're going to have guns weather we need them or not because a lot of us like (or love) them, even those sinister black ones.
Aside from hunting and self-protection, what do you really need guns for? Even if you just like to shoot them, that's fair, but you really ought to learn how to keep the guns on shooting ranges only, and not where criminals can get them.
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I find it rather ironic, even arrogant, that your'e avatar is a gangster holding a Thompson sub-machinegun while you're telling us that we're all armed criminals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_2
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Fallout is an open world role-playing video game produced by Tim Cain, developed and published by Interplay in 1997. The game has a post-apocalyptic and retro-futuristic setting in the mid-22nd century, featuring an alternate history which deviates some time after World War II, where technology, politics and culture followed a different course.
It's no more ironic than me liking a video game. A violent one, I grant, but I'm sure you're fully aware there is a big difference between video games and going out and shooting people, so I won't go on much longer.
30 Jul 2012, 10:51 pm
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31 Jul 2012, 12:45 am
Dox47 wrote:
Someone else posted this link in the News forum, but I think it offers an interesting glimpse of the future futility of gun regulations:
http://www.popsci.com/technology/articl ... -d-printer
Popular Science wrote:
A Working Assault Rifle Made With a 3-D Printer
Get ready. It's now possible to print weapons at home.
An amateur gunsmith, operating under the handle of "HaveBlue" (incidentally, "Have Blue" is the codename that was used for the prototype stealth fighter that became the Lockheed F-117), announced recently in online forums that he had successfully printed a serviceable .22 caliber pistol.
Despite predictions of disaster, the pistol worked. It successfully fired 200 rounds in testing.
HaveBlue then decided to push the limits of what was possible and use his printer to make an AR-15 rifle. To do this, he downloaded plans for an AR-15 receiver in the Solidworks file format from a site called CNCGunsmith.com. After some small modifications to the design, he fed about $30 of ABS plastic feedstock into his late-model Stratasys printer. The result was a functional AR-15 rifle. Early testing shows that it works, although it still has some minor feed and extraction problems to be worked out.
HaveBlue has also been testing the "marketplace" for 3-D printing weapons. To do this he asked Thingiverse, the 3-D design sharing site run by Makerbot Industries, whether it was permissible to post weapons designs or not. According to HaveBlue, Makerbot's senior leadership decided to not disallow, but to discourage, the posting of weapons designs. Haveblue then posted a design for an AR-15 part on Thingiverse, but in the intensive legal discussion that followed Haveblue's posting, Thingiverse decided to ban weapons designs outright. However, since Haveblue's design is still on the site, it's unclear whether Thingiverse is enforcing a ban or not.
While there are still some details to sort out, it's pretty clear that making weapons at home using 3-D printers from commonly available materials is going to become much more commonplace in the near future. In fact, as 3-D printing technology matures, materials feedstock improves, and designs for weapons proliferate, we might soon see the day when nearly everyone will be able to print the weapons of their choice in the numbers they desire, all within the privacy of their own homes.
Get ready. It's now possible to print weapons at home.
An amateur gunsmith, operating under the handle of "HaveBlue" (incidentally, "Have Blue" is the codename that was used for the prototype stealth fighter that became the Lockheed F-117), announced recently in online forums that he had successfully printed a serviceable .22 caliber pistol.
Despite predictions of disaster, the pistol worked. It successfully fired 200 rounds in testing.
HaveBlue then decided to push the limits of what was possible and use his printer to make an AR-15 rifle. To do this, he downloaded plans for an AR-15 receiver in the Solidworks file format from a site called CNCGunsmith.com. After some small modifications to the design, he fed about $30 of ABS plastic feedstock into his late-model Stratasys printer. The result was a functional AR-15 rifle. Early testing shows that it works, although it still has some minor feed and extraction problems to be worked out.
HaveBlue has also been testing the "marketplace" for 3-D printing weapons. To do this he asked Thingiverse, the 3-D design sharing site run by Makerbot Industries, whether it was permissible to post weapons designs or not. According to HaveBlue, Makerbot's senior leadership decided to not disallow, but to discourage, the posting of weapons designs. Haveblue then posted a design for an AR-15 part on Thingiverse, but in the intensive legal discussion that followed Haveblue's posting, Thingiverse decided to ban weapons designs outright. However, since Haveblue's design is still on the site, it's unclear whether Thingiverse is enforcing a ban or not.
While there are still some details to sort out, it's pretty clear that making weapons at home using 3-D printers from commonly available materials is going to become much more commonplace in the near future. In fact, as 3-D printing technology matures, materials feedstock improves, and designs for weapons proliferate, we might soon see the day when nearly everyone will be able to print the weapons of their choice in the numbers they desire, all within the privacy of their own homes.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/articl ... -d-printer
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Redshirt wrote:
LennytheWicked wrote:
Well, we'd have different types of crime. Like with the prohibition, there would become a black market for guns, but that would mostly be contained to the people connected with the black market since guns tend not to be an addiction or as popular of a social thing. And many of the people who buy guns live in more rural areas, whereas during the prohibition bootlegging was more common in large cities.
People aren't addicted to guns like they are with alcohol.
You'd be surprised!
Well the addiction isn't the point. It's the continued availability and putting the whole supply and distribution in the wrong hands. And unlike the demand for alcohol, the continued demand for guns would be driven by numerous causes.
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