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21 Aug 2012, 2:34 pm

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/\ /\ Yeah, whatever. All conservatives are ret*ds or whatever. /\ /\
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Admitted defeat already? I haven't read the paper yet.



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21 Aug 2012, 2:50 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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/\ /\ Yeah, whatever. All conservatives are ret*ds or whatever. /\ /\
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Admitted defeat already? I haven't read the paper yet.


No, it's just too ridiculous for me to bother with.


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21 Aug 2012, 2:58 pm

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Raptor wrote:
/\ /\ Yeah, whatever. All conservatives are ret*ds or whatever. /\ /\
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Admitted defeat already? I haven't read the paper yet.


No, it's just too ridiculous for me to bother with.


Speaking of which:

http://hij.sagepub.com/content/14/2/212.abstract

A peer-reviewed article which indicates that Conservatives tend not to get satire. Is it the same with Low-Functioning Autistics?



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21 Aug 2012, 3:04 pm

Although a large amount of autistics tend to lean toward the liberal side I dont think autism has anything to do with political preference anymore than NTs. There a lot of NT liberals too. My family is mostly conservative I started out conservative then became more liberal but now I think I am in the middle I guess you can say I am a centrist. I support legalization of marijuana, but am against illegal immigration, I am also pro choice! I support the second ammendment of the constitution but oppose unnecessary wars. I like change but also like tradition and the preservation of the foundation of the country!


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21 Aug 2012, 3:52 pm

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ArrantPariah wrote:
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ArrantPariah wrote:
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

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Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact


The science is there: lower-functioning folks tend toward Conservative political beliefs.


Produce the evidence. All we need is one super-bright conservative to blow your bigoted hypothesis to shreds.

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No. I never said that all lower-functioning autistics were conservatives, nor that all conservatives were lower-functioning autistics. Only that a tendency, or correlation, exists.

People who write for The Economist, or who wrote for The Wall Street Journal before it became just another Rupert Murdoch tabloid, are highly intelligent. As are the people in your examples.

People who sit around and watch Fox News all day are generally of rather low intelligence.




Like I said about a million effing times before:


There IS a difference between populist conservatives and elitist conservatives!


Howard Phillips Lovecraft was a classic example of an aspie conservative of the elitist variety. I honestly do NOT understand for the life of me how aspies can be populist hillbilly conservatives.


Lovecraft in later life became a mild socialist when he was personally hit by the depression. He still did hold onto notions of elitism, but an elite made up of intellectuals, not the well born or moneyed classes. One of his turning points came when his aunts had arranged a luncheon with local well to do business leaders - just the people who Lovecraft had believed should be steering the ship of state and society. He went away feeling they were the dullest, most unintellectual people he had ever met.

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21 Aug 2012, 3:55 pm

Raptor wrote:
/\ /\ Yeah, whatever. All conservatives are ret*ds or whatever. /\ /\
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I am the opposite of conservative, but I don't believe that conservatives are stupid. I think most of them are mildly sociopathic and lack an understanding of the concept of collective humanity. Their pragmatist attitude is why I think it tends to be mostly NT's that gravitate towards conservatism and reactionary politics in general.



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21 Aug 2012, 4:19 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

Quote:
Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact


The science is there: lower-functioning folks tend toward Conservative political beliefs.


Produce the evidence. All we need is one super-bright conservative to blow your bigoted hypothesis to shreds.

ruveyn


No. I never said that all lower-functioning autistics were conservatives, nor that all conservatives were lower-functioning autistics. Only that a tendency, or correlation, exists.

People who write for The Economist, or who wrote for The Wall Street Journal before it became just another Rupert Murdoch tabloid, are highly intelligent. As are the people in your examples.

People who sit around and watch Fox News all day are generally of rather low intelligence.




Like I said about a million effing times before:


There IS a difference between populist conservatives and elitist conservatives!


Howard Phillips Lovecraft was a classic example of an aspie conservative of the elitist variety. I honestly do NOT understand for the life of me how aspies can be populist hillbilly conservatives.


Lovecraft in later life became a mild socialist when he was personally hit by the depression. He still did hold onto notions of elitism, but an elite made up of intellectuals, not the well born or moneyed classes. One of his turning points came when his aunts had arranged a luncheon with local well to do business leaders - just the people who Lovecraft had believed should be steering the ship of state and society. He went away feeling they were the dullest, most unintellectual people he had ever met.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



That's correct. Lovecraft detested businessmen in general. His socialist leanings had to do with his dire financial situation towards the end of his life.

I too believe that society should have a ruling elite comprised of intellectuals. However, I believe these intellectuals should be of the left brained sort as opposed to those in the humanities field. Lovecraft was old money, as opposed to new moneyed entrepreneurial types.



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21 Aug 2012, 4:48 pm

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I too believe that society should have a ruling elite comprised of intellectuals.


Can we get rid of these "intellectuals" if they happen to be plainly, disastrously, singularly wrong? Never defer to an anti-democratic elite of any description.



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21 Aug 2012, 4:57 pm

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I too believe that society should have a ruling elite comprised of intellectuals.


Can we get rid of these "intellectuals" if they happen to be plainly, disastrously, singularly wrong? Never defer to an anti-democratic elite of any description.


Nope, please stop asking questions :lol:


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21 Aug 2012, 5:48 pm

Tequila wrote:
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I too believe that society should have a ruling elite comprised of intellectuals.


Can we get rid of these "intellectuals" if they happen to be plainly, disastrously, singularly wrong? Never defer to an anti-democratic elite of any description.



And how does one determine if they are right or if they are plainly, disastrously, singularly wrong? The "people"? I find it very dangerous and naive to believe that the masses are always right. That is, if the plebes come to a consensus and everyone believes it then it *must* be true because group think is infallible, right? Wrong.
Decentralization is destructive because there is no one person who has final say and no incentive for people to adhere to a consistent set of rules. You need to read up on Thomas Hobbes, Tequila.



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21 Aug 2012, 5:54 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
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I too believe that society should have a ruling elite comprised of intellectuals.


Can we get rid of these "intellectuals" if they happen to be plainly, disastrously, singularly wrong? Never defer to an anti-democratic elite of any description.



And how does one determine if they are right or if they are plainly, disastrously, singularly wrong? The "people"? I find it very dangerous and naive to believe that the masses are always right. That is, if the plebes come to a consensus and everyone believes it then it *must* be true because group think is infallible, right? Wrong.
Decentralization is destructive because there is no one person who has final say and no incentive for people to adhere to a consistent set of rules. You need to read up on Thomas Hobbes, Tequila.


How do we select this group?


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21 Aug 2012, 6:42 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
Tequila wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
I too believe that society should have a ruling elite comprised of intellectuals.


Can we get rid of these "intellectuals" if they happen to be plainly, disastrously, singularly wrong? Never defer to an anti-democratic elite of any description.



And how does one determine if they are right or if they are plainly, disastrously, singularly wrong? The "people"? I find it very dangerous and naive to believe that the masses are always right. That is, if the plebes come to a consensus and everyone believes it then it *must* be true because group think is infallible, right? Wrong.
Decentralization is destructive because there is no one person who has final say and no incentive for people to adhere to a consistent set of rules. You need to read up on Thomas Hobbes, Tequila.


How do we select this group?

That's the problem.

I'm liberal by the way.


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21 Aug 2012, 6:54 pm

Conservatives arent all stupid. There is always a lower tradition and a higher tradition. The talk radio Archie Bunker types versus those who can think and who don't treat politcis like tv wrestling. But things have a changed. 40 years ago Archie Bunker was a punchline. Today he could have a show on Fox and be taken seriously. So could Frank Burns or any other 1970s stereotype of the ignorant right.

There are also stupid liberals. But that's not encouraged in the same way and it's not what the liberal stereotype presents.



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21 Aug 2012, 7:10 pm

I think 'stupid' is being confused here with 'lazy minded'. Its harder to question the status quo than it is to back it.



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21 Aug 2012, 8:51 pm

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I think 'stupid' is being confused here with 'lazy minded'. Its harder to question the status quo than it is to back it.


In the U.S. the status quo is statist, protofascist and ultra liberal. Even though RWR unhinged the liberals a bit, liberalism of the modern pinko-stinko commie loving sort is still dominant in the U.S.

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21 Aug 2012, 9:21 pm

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I find it very dangerous and naive to believe that the masses are always right.

It is more dangerous, IMO, to believe that some anointed group of intellectual elites are always right. If power is handed to the masses, it makes oppressing the masses harder than if power is handed to a small ruling elite.

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You need to read up on Thomas Hobbes, Tequila.

This would have made sense if this thread were about Thomas Hobbes, but it isn't. If Thomas Hobbes said something relevant to this thread, why don't you quote him?


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