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03 Oct 2012, 6:20 pm

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What about when he blew up an entire planet?

Its all speculative. We dont know how many people lived on Alderaan, Or for that matter if Leias entire race was based there.

Moreover, are you actually comparing the (fictional) destruction of Alderaan to the f*****g holocaust?

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03 Oct 2012, 6:29 pm

I don't trust the government enough to give them that power. Nor do I think its suitable punishment since there is no way to undo killing someone.

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03 Oct 2012, 6:40 pm

no government should have that right, it's ridiculous.

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03 Oct 2012, 7:22 pm

Another problem with the death penalty is that non-whites are more likely to be sentenced to death than whites.

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04 Oct 2012, 11:08 am

Tim_Tex wrote:

Another problem with the death penalty is that non-whites are more likely to be sentenced to death than whites.

Thats not really an argument against the death sentence per sae, more against the racist nature of the American judicial system.

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04 Oct 2012, 11:16 am

TM wrote:

I don't trust the government enough to give them that power. Nor do I think its suitable punishment since there is no way to undo killing someone.

I'm also against for this reason.

No, far better to let the bastards stew for the rest of their lives in complete isolation.

Would that be against their human rights? I do hope so.

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04 Oct 2012, 11:43 am

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What do you think about the death penalty

i agree with it. i think people should be penalized seriously for dying.

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04 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm

Death is not a punishment, plus killing is killing and there is no justify in killing another person with intent.

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04 Oct 2012, 2:33 pm

DemureStargazer wrote:

Death is not a punishment, plus killing is killing and there is no justify in killing another person with intent.

I look at crimes as debts that have to be repaid. I mean, even if an accident isn't a "crime" in a prosecutable sense, I think people owe it to each other to make things right. So for most accidents, mistakes, or intentional crimes, it is possible to assign a value to a person's personal loss and expect the person responsible for that loss to somehow repay that value. Or if you can't afford repayment, there has to be some way of making it up to that person that is acceptable to all people involved.

The trouble is when you INTENTIONALLY cause the death of someone, you cannot repay that debt. By that I mean you can't put a price on someone's life. There aren't many, but I really do feel like certain few crimes really do demand the life of the guilty. Treason would be one such crime. I also think if you falsely accuse someone of murder or you are guilty of causing someone to be falsely convicted and sentenced to death--and that's even if they are found innocent or never have to actually be put to death--you should receive the death penalty.

And if you're concerned that killing can't be justified for any reason, consider that if someone actually commits a crime and is put to death for it, the responsibility for his own death is entirely his and thus no executioner nor state justice system need carry the guilt.

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04 Oct 2012, 3:02 pm

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By that I mean you can't put a price on someone's life.

The government does.

http://www.care2.com/causes/epa-puts-th ... llion.html

$9.1 million per the EPA, and $7.9 million per the FDA.

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04 Oct 2012, 3:10 pm

Tequila wrote:

TM wrote:

I don't trust the government enough to give them that power. Nor do I think its suitable punishment since there is no way to undo killing someone.

I'm also against for this reason.

No, far better to let the bastards stew for the rest of their lives in complete isolation.

Would that be against their human rights? I do hope so.

And let the people pay for it? One or more persons already paid a dear price with their lives, and now we'd have to pay a (not as) dear price with our wallets?

Revenge in this case would be more bitter than sweet for us.

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04 Oct 2012, 3:11 pm

donnie_darko wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

donnie_darko wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

The only circumstance and exception I would attempt to condone the death penalty is in the case of Genocidal mass killers where there is no shadow of doubt as to their responsibility - Hitler, Idi Amin, Hussein, Milosevic etc.

Even then, it is open to bias from partisan courts and political conjecture.

I wouldn't even execute them, because fundamentally speaking killing millions isn't any worse than killing 100 people, or arguably even one person. I don't think extreme situations destroy a principle. After all, Darth Vader redeemed himself.

I disagree. I think genocide is of a far worse level than the murder of 1 or a small number of people. What we're talking about is the murder of an entire culture; a way of life. I've watch Star Wars episodes IV-VI several times, I do not recall Vader attempted anything on par with the individuals i listed.

What really grates me is the idea that you can be executed for 'treason' or killing an 'important' person, such as royalty.

If I understand correctly 'Regicide' or the killing of Royalty is the only crime in the UK that you can still be executed for.

What about when he blew up an entire planet?

IIRC, Grand Moff Tarkin blew it up. Been a while since I've seen Episode 4 though.

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04 Oct 2012, 3:58 pm

Taverson wrote:

Tequila wrote:

TM wrote:

I don't trust the government enough to give them that power. Nor do I think its suitable punishment since there is no way to undo killing someone.

I'm also against for this reason.

No, far better to let the bastards stew for the rest of their lives in complete isolation.

Would that be against their human rights? I do hope so.

It cost more to execute someone than it does to incarcerate them for life.

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04 Oct 2012, 4:11 pm

Show me the statistic. Because food, medical and dental care, clothing (even if it's all orange jumpsuits), the salary for prison guards, the various programs in prison (schooling, etc.), and the work they get paid for if they have a paying job in prison..

All the electricity and water and other utilities..

All the appeals he can do to further clog down the legal system and cost the taxpayer money...

You can't tell me that's not more expensive than capital punishment.

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04 Oct 2012, 4:15 pm

multiple sources, so you can't claim bias:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/ns ... tion-cost/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/ju ... e-budgets/

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04 Oct 2012, 4:17 pm

Taverson wrote:

There's not really any other option though is there?

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