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03 Oct 2012, 5:32 pm

There is no solid evidence of

1. Atlantis, a technologically advanced civilization existing in ancient times, say circa 10,000 y.b.p.

2. Aliens from another planet or star system visiting earth an any time in the past.

3. Time traveler from our future came back to visit us and possibly interfere with their own time line.

No evidence whatsoever, none, zero, zip!

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03 Oct 2012, 5:34 pm

The Dogon people of Mali claim to be Egyptian.



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03 Oct 2012, 7:07 pm

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The Dogon people of Mali claim to be Egyptian.


Yah, they're a trip too. They say that their gods came from Sirius B, a binary star that revolves around Sirus A. The only problem is that they're a very ancient people with a long tradition, and Sirius B is only visible with a high powered telescope. I'll have to read up more on their self professed connection to the ancient Egyptians as well.



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03 Oct 2012, 7:18 pm

ruveyn wrote:
There is no solid evidence of

1. Atlantis, a technologically advanced civilization existing in ancient times, say circa 10,000 y.b.p.

2. Aliens from another planet or star system visiting earth an any time in the past.

3. Time traveler from our future came back to visit us and possibly interfere with their own time line.

No evidence whatsoever, none, zero, zip!

ruveyn


Yonaguni, off the coast of Okinawa. It looks man made, and the structure would have been above sea level 10,000 years ago. The same goes for the Sphinx and its water erosion lines, which couldn't had to have been made when rainfall was a lot higher in the Nile valley. between 5000 and 10,000 years. Gobekli Tepe, too, is a very ancient, megolithic structure that suggests it was built by a more advanced society than the type of civilizations that were supposed to be around at the time (neolithic hunter gatherers).



03 Oct 2012, 7:28 pm

What does the Sphinx have to do with Atlantis? Ditto for the Yonaguni monument.



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03 Oct 2012, 7:31 pm

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It is a computer replication of a diagram found in an Egyptian papyrus. These devices, called sledges have actually been found by archeologists and were constructed from cedar wood. Also, I would seriously call into question the actual time frame that was officially recorded for the construction of the Pyramids(especially the Great one). But your argument that it was impossible to build such a structure without modern technology is nonsense. Given the sandy terrain, a sledge would be the most efficient way to transport these stones from the quarry to the construction site.

Yah, but it isn't just a matter of the sledges. Its also shaping the stones with crude stone tools in a very specific way. Just try shaping a piece of granite with hunk of copper or another rock sometime and see how long it takes to get anywhere with it. Mainstream Egyptology posits that a giant ramp, was used to cart the blocks up to each successive layer, and had to be built longer and higher as the project progressed. The ramp would have been a couple miles long at the end of it, which would have made it an even bigger structure than the pyramid itself, and there's no evidence of such a large structure having existed. So, the mainstream theories are really in the same boat as a lot of the unorthodox ones. There's evidence of Egyptians having used sleighs to transport stones, just as there's evidence of diamond bit bore holes in the sarcophagus, but, by in large, there's no comprehensive body of evidence as to how it was actually done. Like I said, though, the sledges may have been used by Egyptians later on to build smaller, cruder structures that mimicked the monolithic structures of what was ancient antiquity for them, kind of like how people build replicas of medieval castles today or those pyramids the Russians built in the 80's.



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03 Oct 2012, 7:37 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
What does the Sphinx have to do with Atlantis? Ditto for the Yonaguni monument.


There's geological evidence that they were built 10,000 years ago when Atlantis was said to have existed, and the fact that they're advanced structures suggests that they were built by an advanced civilization, well more advanced than the bands of hunter gatherers that were supposed to be the only level of social organization at the time.



03 Oct 2012, 8:00 pm

JNathanK wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
What does the Sphinx have to do with Atlantis? Ditto for the Yonaguni monument.


There's geological evidence that they were built 10,000 years ago when Atlantis was said to have existed, and the fact that they're advanced structures suggests that they were built by an advanced civilization, well more advanced than the bands of hunter gatherers that were supposed to be the only level of social organization at the time.


And where is the Island where this 10,000 year old civilization can be found?


Also, did Aliens help build the Great White Pyramid of Xian(China) which rises 1,000 feet from base to tip?



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03 Oct 2012, 9:12 pm

The pyramids- because, aliens


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03 Oct 2012, 11:02 pm

I find Atlantis to be FAR more interesting than the modern myth about Aliens helping to build the Egyptian pyramids.

What archeologists desperately need is to find a 'Minoan Rosetta stone' with Linear A inscriptions along with inscriptions in languages that are known like Phoenician/Egyptian/Linear B. I've always assumed that Linear A is the written form of a language that is an ancestor of ancient Greek but it's not even known if the Minoan language was Indo-European! 8O

The fact that there was a collapse of civilization and written language for almost 600 years in ancient Greece, a TRUE dark age, is probably why Linear A has resisted decipherment. Until we can find more historical records, the truth about Atlantis will continue remain one of History's biggest Mysteries.



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04 Oct 2012, 7:17 am

Barring the invention machine, the details of Minoan civilization will remain mostly unknown. However no artifacts indicating an advance technology have been found anywhere in the Aegean. Even the antikithera machine, as clever as it is, shows no grasp of atomic or electronic physics. The ancients were very smart, but they were not as technologically and scientifically advanced as we.

If the Minoan's were all that smart, why didn't they predict the volcanic explosion and move elsewhere to rebuild?

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04 Oct 2012, 9:13 am

ruveyn wrote:
Barring the invention machine, the details of Minoan civilization will remain mostly unknown. However no artifacts indicating an advance technology have been found anywhere in the Aegean. Even the antikithera machine, as clever as it is, shows no grasp of atomic or electronic physics. The ancients were very smart, but they were not as technologically and scientifically advanced as we.

If the Minoan's were all that smart, why didn't they predict the volcanic explosion and move elsewhere to rebuild?

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Concerning the statement in bold: Well not sh*t sherlock! Atomic physics was developed during the last century.

As for the details of Minoan civilization, I'm cynical of that prophecy. They may very well have been more advanced than classical Greek civilization.



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04 Oct 2012, 12:34 pm

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I find Atlantis to be FAR more interesting than the modern myth about Aliens helping to build the Egyptian pyramids.

What archeologists desperately need is to find a 'Minoan Rosetta stone' with Linear A inscriptions along with inscriptions in languages that are known like Phoenician/Egyptian/Linear B. I've always assumed that Linear A is the written form of a language that is an ancestor of ancient Greek but it's not even known if the Minoan language was Indo-European! 8O

The fact that there was a collapse of civilization and written language for almost 600 years in ancient Greece, a TRUE dark age, is probably why Linear A has resisted decipherment. Until we can find more historical records, the truth about Atlantis will continue remain one of History's biggest Mysteries.


How can you say with any certainty the myth of Atlantis was not just a late and grandiose adaptation of the common deluge stories that are really quite ancient


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04 Oct 2012, 2:40 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
What does the Sphinx have to do with Atlantis? Ditto for the Yonaguni monument.


There's geological evidence that they were built 10,000 years ago when Atlantis was said to have existed, and the fact that they're advanced structures suggests that they were built by an advanced civilization, well more advanced than the bands of hunter gatherers that were supposed to be the only level of social organization at the time.


And where is the Island where this 10,000 year old civilization can be found?



The island SANK!
We're talking about Atlantis, remember!

Where- beneath the sea- is it?
Thats the question to ask.



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04 Oct 2012, 2:44 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
And where is the Island where this 10,000 year old civilization can be found?
The island SANK! We're talking about Atlantis, remember! Where- beneath the sea- is it? Thats the question to ask.

Which begs the question of its existence in the first place. If you can not pinpoint its former location, then it is likely to have never had one one the first place.



04 Oct 2012, 2:53 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
What does the Sphinx have to do with Atlantis? Ditto for the Yonaguni monument.


There's geological evidence that they were built 10,000 years ago when Atlantis was said to have existed, and the fact that they're advanced structures suggests that they were built by an advanced civilization, well more advanced than the bands of hunter gatherers that were supposed to be the only level of social organization at the time.


And where is the Island where this 10,000 year old civilization can be found?



The island SANK!
We're talking about Atlantis, remember!

Where- beneath the sea- is it?
Thats the question to ask.




There's no evidence of a sunken island in the Atlantic Ocean with any sort of lost civilization.

On the other hand, there clearly is an island in the Aegean called Santorini which is the remaining fragment of a larger island with a submerged caldera as most of the island sank that has buried ruins of a technically advanced civilization/city-state that has astonishing similarity with the mythical Atlantis EXCEPT for the time period and the location!! !

Your argument that Thera is not the location of Atlantis is extremely weak. Troy was found and confirmed, and I predict that eventually Thera will be confirmed as the location of Atlantis. A whole chapter or ancient Greek history has been lost to time. And I certainly hope that there are teams of archeologists dedicating their life's work to solving one of history's most enduring mysteries.