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13 Jan 2013, 7:00 pm

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Plus, the British far-left is caked in anti-Semitism. At least people like codarac and the Stormfronters are honest about it.

A significant number of far lefters are Jewish. People like codorac and the stormfronters continually exploit this fact to somehow detract credibility from it.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:01 pm

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A significant number of far lefters are Jewish.

Some Jews supported Hitler and even the far-right Islamist Iranian government. Was Hitler or the Iranian government right?

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13 Jan 2013, 7:03 pm

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A significant number of far lefters are Jewish.

Some Jews supported Hitler

The Jews i referred to included Karl Marx.

Its a big difference when the ideological father is in your ethnic group.

I've been active at far left gatherings and i have never witnessed any of the alledged anti semitism. Quite the contrary. It only seems to be the far left who stand up to holocaust deniers like Griffin and the BNP. Where was UKIP whenever there were pro-unity demonstrations during the race riots?

Criticism levied against Israel does not count.

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and even the far-right Islamist Iranian government.

Jews are not persecuted in Iran.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:03 pm

I don't support the Israeli government because they are dicks. I don't support Hamas and Fatah because they are dicks. :wtg:

This confuses people. I am rather left wing, though.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:07 pm

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Jews are not persecuted in Iran.

Opinion over the condition of Jews in Iran is divided. Many Jews complain that they are socially or bureaucratically discriminated against.

The vast, vast majority of them left the country after the Islamists took power. Why do you think they did that?

Even if they are not directly persecuted, I'd regard anyone who was making noises about destroying my national homeland to be pretty aggressive against me and my kind.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:08 pm

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I don't support Hamas and Fatah because they are dicks. :wtg:

Hamas want to wipe out every Jew on Earth. Fatah want to destroy Israel.

Israel does not want to wipe out every Arab / Muslim on Earth, nor to destroy the Palestinian Territories. In fact, the Israelis would love to come to a peaceful arrangement with the Palestinians. The PPs could have had peace all the way from the 1930s if they had wanted it.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:10 pm

^I think the Israelis have become just as entrenched in this 'no peace' thing as the Palestinians have (though they weren't always that way). This is why there settlements are there.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:11 pm

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I don't support Hamas and Fatah because they are dicks. :wtg:

The problem with Israel is that its society are just as divided (if not more so) than the Palestinians.

There are opinions ranging from within Israel from outright withdrawal to the complete annilhation of the Palestinian people. Ultimately the government seems to listen to the populist opinion which seems to wane towards the latter.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:14 pm

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There are opinions ranging from within Israel from outright withdrawal

This is a minority.

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to the complete annilhation of the Palestinian people.

Kahanism is another minority of a***holes.

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Ultimately the government seems to listen to the populist opinion which seems to wane towards the latter.

For Palestinian genocide, they are doing an awful job of it. Perhaps they could get help off Arab countries in how to ethnically cleanse populations?

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13 Jan 2013, 7:15 pm

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^I think the Israelis have become just as entrenched in this 'no peace' thing as the Palestinians have (though they weren't always that way). This is why there settlements are there.

Of course, it was they who pre empted the last round of violence.

Israeli officials were quoted as saying the retalitory rocket attacks were 'worth it' in order to kill the high ranking of member of Hamas who died in the bombing. Unfortunately the baby of a BBC employee was also killed in that attack.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:16 pm

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^I think the Israelis have become just as entrenched in this 'no peace' thing as the Palestinians have (though they weren't always that way).

If your enemy is stringing you along and making endless rounds of talks leading to excuses not to negotiate for decades whilst fomenting the occasional Intifada, why bother waiting on tenterhooks for their calls? Life moves inexorably on.

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This is why there settlements are there.

For my money, this isn't the defining issue in the Israeli peace process. Those little bits of land in the West Bank (and now E-1) weren't there in 1948 and 1967, yet the Poor Palestinians (helped by the Arabs tried to wipe out Israel). They failed, because the Israelis are at least half-competent.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:18 pm

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For Palestinian genocide, they are doing an awful job of it. Perhaps they could get help off Arab countries in how to ethnically cleanse populations?

Thats rich coming from someone with a union jack avatar.

Do you realise the English mastered the concentration camp looooong before Hitler and his buddies came along?

http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Ed ... amps.shtml

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13 Jan 2013, 7:26 pm

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I don't support Hamas and Fatah because they are dicks. :wtg:

The West has to stand by Israel because if they don't, the Jews will be slaughtered just like always. It's one of history's lessons.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:30 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Tequila wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

I don't support Hamas and Fatah because they are dicks. :wtg:

The West has to stand by Israel because if they don't, the Jews will be slaughtered just like always. It's one of history's lessons.

BS. The only reason the west is standing by is to keep an eye on its precious flow of black gold in Iraq and Libya.

They could just move back to the USA or Europe. There wasnt much Jew slaughtering going on around there, last time I checked.

If I was Jewish and I wanted a safe place to live I'd go to Micronesia or Easter Island. I'd get as far away from Israel as I could.

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13 Jan 2013, 7:31 pm

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So a bunch of foreigners from another continent show up to set up an "outpost of the West" on their land and they're supposed to just accept it? That's what is being asked of Palestinians. This was an act of war done against them, and they were targeted by that war, and they remain targeted by that war. Palestine was 5% Jewish in 1920. Never forget that. Moreover, almost none of those were Ashkanazis from Europe. The Jewish population of Palestine at the time in fact opposed Zionism, all except for the recent arrivals at that time. They too saw these invaders for what they were and had more in common with their Christian and Muslim neighbours.

This isn't 1920.

It changes nothing. They got screwed over. They're supposed to forget what happened? The whole enterprise was conceived based on the idea that they are nothing more than savages to be displaced so that the "superior civilisation" can set up a sort of an aircraft carrier from which to abuse even more "savages" in the region. Right now the Zionists maintain this stance, they aren't even trying to change and adopt a more friendly posture.

Actually WAY before 1920 in the end of the 1800's beginning of the 1900's Jews came to settle in Israel when the land was uncultivated for the most part and was owned by rich Arab landowners under the Ottoman (Turkish) empire. The Jews purchased LEGALLY from rich Arab landowners who were not living on the land and who could sell land that was very difficulty to cultivate to desperate Jews who had nowhere else to go at the time. There were small communities of poorer Arabs living on some of the land but not in Jerusalem and not in Tel. Aviv where the land remained uncultivated until the Jews worked the land and made it suitable for agriculture. Then when the Ottoman empire fell the British took over Israel and in 1917 signed a document promising to help re-build the Jewish state. Jews were immigrating legally and developing the land until arabs in the surrounding nations put pressure on Britain to stop so many Jews coming and so eventually they (the British empire) made a plan for a half Arab half Jewish state, and limited immigration of Jews. The land wasn't"taken" from the Palestinians. The reason Tequilla kept going on about how Palestine wasn't a state is because you give the impression that there were arab people living in Jerusalem and other disputed areas the Jews came in and conquered it and took that land. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. Research it thoroughly if you don't agree ...........check the facts I've listed here.....

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13 Jan 2013, 7:32 pm

thomas81 wrote:

They could just move back to the USA or Europe.

In the early 1920s and 1930s, Jews in Europe were told: "Go to Palestine!"
In the early 21st century, Jews in Palestine are told: "Get out of Palestine!"

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There wasnt much Jew slaughtering going on around there, last time I checked.

Oh, that's a bit rich for someone who references history like he does.

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