Is Winston Wu a Misogynist?

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18 Feb 2013, 6:50 pm

Ann2011 wrote:

Arguments don't have to be in the form of declarative statements.

Could you elaborate? (Sorry, I know this obvious to everyone else, but I'm obtuse.)

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18 Feb 2013, 7:20 pm

Telekon wrote:

Ann2011 wrote:

Arguments don't have to be in the form of declarative statements.

Could you elaborate?

"Greetings! Welcome to Happier Abroad.
Let me ask you an IMPORTANT QUESTION: Are you a male who is sick and tired of the following norms in America (or your country)?
The unattainability, unavailability or lack of women you desire, depriving you of quality female companionship."

My translation:

some men are sick and tired of these norms in America
women are unattainable, unavailable and undesirable
these attributes deprive some men of women

I would like to see his proof for saying that American women are unable to fill the needs of men. But there does seem to be a market for what he's selling.

I'm still not sure about the desirability of foreign women based on cultural traits. People are people no matter what language they are speaking.

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18 Feb 2013, 7:52 pm

Ann2011 wrote:

My translation:

some men are sick and tired of these norms in America
women are unattainable, unavailable and undesirable
these attributes deprive some men of women

These are statements, Ann.

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19 Feb 2013, 8:50 am

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I would like to see his proof for saying that American women are unable to fill the needs of men.

Well, take a look at his picture gallery.

http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Collage.htm

Compare that to what an average Asian-American male would experience in the American dating scene.

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I'm still not sure about the desirability of foreign women based on cultural traits. People are people no matter what language they are speaking.

http://www.happierabroad.com/ForeignWomen.htm

He does tend to over-generalize. Especially by lumping "Foreign Women" into one category. Elsewhere, he rags on about Taiwan.

http://blog.happierabroad.com/2013/02/t ... aiwan.html

I think that his main problem with Taiwan (he was born there, and moved to the USA when he was 3) is that it is tough to get laid there. There is some very nice scenery on the island, if you get outside the cities.

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19 Feb 2013, 9:38 am

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[http://blog.happierabroad.com/2013/02/the-four-biggest-problems-with-taiwan.html

I think that his main problem with Taiwan (he was born there, and moved to the USA when he was 3) is that it is tough to get laid there. There is some very nice scenery on the island, if you get outside the cities.

His complaints about Taiwanese women are similar to his complaints about American women. Although there are cultural differences, the core of his complaint is that both Taiwanese women and American women are very selective about who they will date or even converse with. He sees this as a fault. I see this as a good thing (because I am an American woman). Women who are socialized to always do what they can to make every single man they come in contact with feel good about themselves have lost (never had) a sovereignity over their own selves. Their existence revolves around placating men. American women have dropped that and are sovereigns over themselves and it looks like Taiwanese women have too. Good for them!

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19 Feb 2013, 11:15 am

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Well, I wouldn't go that far. Most Taiwanese women are only interested in marrying only Taiwanese or Chinese men, and most restrict themselves to candidates of similar (or higher) educational and/or professional attainment. Most eschew premarital hanky-panky, and most are not at all interested in coitus with random foreign men who come to their shores.

It isn't as if Taiwanese women have dropped a part of their culture to lift themselves up to the standards of American women. They just remain, for the most part, very conservative.

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19 Feb 2013, 12:13 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

He does tend to over-generalize.

He does; but those pictures made me want to go to the Philippines! I wonder if people are friendlier in these parts of the world because their climate is so pleasant. I know winter can make me grumpy.

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19 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm

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I just think men should be cautious when searching for love abroad. I've read stuff where criminal elements have used dating and marriage of "exotic foreign women" as covers for separating lonely American men from their money. Not that dating outside your country is always a bad idea. My uncle married a non-American woman and it worked great for him.

Acting upon one's compulsion to procreate entails risk anywhere in the world. I'm sure that it is especially easy to get scammed in some of these international things, though.

That was my thinking.

Also, my male military co-workers, who have dated abroad, report that, that many areas of the world are rife with women looking for rich American men to take care of them. Granted, this happen in the U.S. too, but you have to be even more careful in areas where the women are significantly poorer.

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Anyway, I think that Mr. Wu is not just about foreign women--he is more about escaping the whole American lifestyle, and finding happiness in a more relaxed part of the world.

Which is precisely what one should do if they're not happy in their current place of residence.

I just find it interesting when people come to the conclusion that Western society is somehow "broken" instead of entertaining the possibility that it simply isn't a match for their personal preferences.

Personally, I have no great love of third world nations and am perfectly fine going to work everyday to earn my luxuries.

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Of course, for a heterosexual man hoping at least to get a little nooky, the attainability and approachability of women does figure into his thought processes. People think, act and live differently in every country in the world. In some countries, the women are much more attainable than in others. Overall qualities of women also seem to vary by country.

I'm sure they do.

If your country of origin isn't working out, it makes perfect sense to seek companionship elsewhere.

I'm fine with Western men (or women) going wherever to land dates, I'm just responding to Mr. Wu's sour grapes. His methods are fine, I just find some elements of his rationale debatable.

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19 Feb 2013, 1:06 pm

Ann2011 wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

He does tend to over-generalize.

That could be part of it. In much of the USA, we stay indoors during the winter because it is too cold, and also stay indoors during the summer because it is too hot. We only have a short window of opportunity when we can enjoy the outdoors.

Also, Americans tend not to value relaxation.

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19 Feb 2013, 1:13 pm

Telekon wrote:

Social norms are things like etiquette not the inability of some men to get dates. Your interpretation doesn't make any sense. You are using terms incorrectly.

No I'm not.

Feel free to take a sociology class.

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[b]norm
[nawrm] Show IPA
noun
1. a standard, model, or pattern.
2.general level or average: Two cars per family is the norm in most suburban communities.

3.Education .
a. designated standard of average performance of people of a given age, background, etc.
b.a standard based on the past average performance of a given individual.

4. Mathematics .
a real-valued, nonnegative function whose domain is a vector space, with properties such that the function of a vector is zero only when the vector is zero, the function of a scalar times a vector is equal to the absolute value of the scalar times the function of the vector, and the function of the sum of two vectors is less than or equal to the sum of the functional values of each vector. The norm of a real number is its absolute value.

b.the greatest difference between two successive points of a given partition.

Go argue with the dictionary if you must.

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Nevertheless, he isn't blaming society for his lack of success at relationships with women. The norms aren't society, though they may be caused by it.

Blaming social norms, trends, and standards (which are caused by society) is blaming society.

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That wasn't the question you had asked. You asked me (somewhat rhetorically) if he blames society for his problems finding a date, then quoted a piece of text where he doesn't refer to himself! On top of that, you insinuated that I had poor reading comprehension!

He spends the entire article outlining what's wrong with Western society and Western women and cites them as the reason men should look elsewhere.

It's a reasonable inference......unless you're still being obtuse.

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This is like arguing with a really bad lawyer. No XFilesGeek, he's not blaming society and he's not claiming society owes him anything. Haven't you tripped over your own words enough?

Yes he does, in his own words, which are clearly quoted.

But I shouldn't have to explain to you what his article means line by line as I'm not an English tutor and I'm not getting paid for this.

I'm out.

Tootles.

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19 Feb 2013, 1:26 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:

Also, my male military co-workers, who have dated abroad, report that, that many areas of the world are rife with women looking for rich American men to take care of them. Granted, this happen in the U.S. too, but you have to be even more careful in areas where the women are significantly poorer.

The military member has a big advantage in getting married because of the extra housing allowances and other entitlements that you get.

On top of that, military members aren't permitted to engage in coitus outside of marriage any more.

So, get married or go without.

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19 Feb 2013, 1:31 pm

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XFilesGeek wrote:

Precisely why they tend to be targets of gold-diggers.

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19 Feb 2013, 6:23 pm

Ann2011 wrote:

Telekon wrote:

Can you show me where he accuses society of denying him a girlfriend?

I thought he was trying to sell a product.

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19 Feb 2013, 6:35 pm

Speaking of the military, in Thailand, I came across a VFW post where a lot of retired American military folks hang out.

http://www.freewebs.com/vfw10217/

That was almost 30 years ago when I was there, but I came across some retired Vietnam War vets who found that their military pensions went a LOT further in Thailand than would be possible in the USA. They were married to Thai women, and enjoying a relaxed lifestyle.

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24 Feb 2013, 3:29 pm

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I didn't realize that he was offering services.

He has links to dating sites, and other advertisers, and probably gets paid a small amount when people click on the advertisement.
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Well, evidently I was wrong.

http://dating.happierabroad.com/

Apparently he has 265,663

ladies from the former USSR looking to get hitched. I don't know how he could have signed up so many women, particularly since (I think) he is still living in the Philippines or Taiwan.

At least he includes some practical advice for would-be suitors.

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11 Mar 2013, 9:13 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

Ann2011 wrote:

I would like to see his proof for saying that American women are unable to fill the needs of men.

Well, take a look at his picture gallery.

http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Collage.htm

Compare that to what an average Asian-American male would experience in the American dating scene.

Ann2011 wrote:

I'm still not sure about the desirability of foreign women based on cultural traits. People are people no matter what language they are speaking.

his picture galleries are of bar girls/prostitutes

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