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31 Jan 2013, 9:49 pm

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In the words of Ellie Weissel, "Only the guilty are guilty."
In no way should the British of today be held responsible for the potato famine than should Germans of today should be accountable for the Holocaust, or no more than Americans should be held as guilty today for what had been done to blacks and Native Americans.

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While today's Brit is in no wise guilty of the wrongs done in prior generations, it would be well if the wrongs done THEN were clearly a plainly admitted and aknowledged. One of the problems the Turks have is they will not even admit the genocide of the Armenians happened back in 1915. In a similar way, Japanese history textbooks are less than forthright about the actions of Japan in China and Manchuria and the atrocities there committed and they do not deal plainly with the cruelty done to Koreans, especially dragooning their women into sexual service for Japanese soldiers. In Japanes textbooks you see weasel word phrases like: "and then the war came..." Horse pebbles. Wars don't come. Wars are brought! Americans are somewhat more forthright about wrongs done to the aboriginal people, but even that can use some sharpening up.

Historical honesty is the only upright path to follow.

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That is absolutely true.

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31 Jan 2013, 10:47 pm

We can blame Free Market Fundamentalists for the potato famine though... hehehehehehe!



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06 Feb 2013, 5:59 pm

The potato famine involved just one breed of potato the "Lumper'. Now there are 4000 varieties and around 80 of those are commercially sold.



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06 Feb 2013, 6:03 pm

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I'm sorry, this feckin' computer is buggy. Hang on and I'll respond to the rest later.

That's ok I rather wait, because there is important points in that second section.



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06 Feb 2013, 6:23 pm

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(That doesn't mean I approve in any way of what Cromwell did. These were barbaric times, barbaric circumstances. We know all about that in England.

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Cromwell was a mixed bag. He butchered the Irish by allowed Jews to re-enter England. Jews had been banned from England in the Middle Ages. England's first and last try at being a Republic failed because Cromwell was a religious fanatic. The only thing in Cristendom worse than a Catholic fanatic is a Protestant fanatic.

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He let the Jews back into England for similar reasons that Christian fundamentalists today support Zionism. He wanted to convert them to bring about the end times.



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06 Feb 2013, 6:25 pm

Cromwell was an all round nasty piece of work.



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06 Feb 2013, 7:13 pm

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Cromwell was an all round nasty piece of work.


He was a murdering enslaving piece of s**t.

If hell exists, he deserves to be dwelling in a specially reserved ring of the deepest and darkest recesses of its ninth layer.


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06 Feb 2013, 8:23 pm

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http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/did-israel-violate-genocide-convention-forcing-contraceptives-ethiopian-women

Did Israel violate the Genocide Convention by forcing contraceptives on Ethiopian women?


It wasn't clear from the article: were these Ethiopian Jewish women http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... jhist.html

or non-Jewish Ethiopians?



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06 Feb 2013, 9:59 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/did-israel-violate-genocide-convention-forcing-contraceptives-ethiopian-women

Did Israel violate the Genocide Convention by forcing contraceptives on Ethiopian women?


It wasn't clear from the article: were these Ethiopian Jewish women http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... jhist.html

or non-Jewish Ethiopians?


I had the impression the women were Ethiopian Jews. Their being sterilized had to do with racism, due to the color of their skin. Certain people like Nuttyahoo apparently figure we can't have black genes altering the lily white - - er, I mean - - sallow skin of proper Israelis! :lol:

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