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Do you support the three-state solution?
Yes! 60%  60%  [ 6 ]
No. 40%  40%  [ 4 ]
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13 Mar 2013, 3:58 pm

Every party to a war (except the victims) is a war criminal.

When war commences, morality ceases.



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13 Mar 2013, 4:05 pm

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The desire is meaningless without the means. If Israel reversed its current policy on its affairs with the Palestinians, it would weaken Hamas's support base and they could be removed by the gazans themselves either democratically or through an internal coup d'etat.

If Israel was clever they would work with Hamas's internal opponents rather than throwing petrol on the flames of hatred.


Well when Israel made concessions in the past and relinquished some land (e.g Gaza) the attacks from the Palestinians increased...............the terrorists didn't lose power.

You want Israel to share power with the Palestinians who are led by Hamas -in that case it matters if they want to destroy Israel and kill innocent civilians if they're jewish ones.



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13 Mar 2013, 4:09 pm

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thomas81 wrote:
The desire is meaningless without the means. If Israel reversed its current policy on its affairs with the Palestinians, it would weaken Hamas's support base and they could be removed by the gazans themselves either democratically or through an internal coup d'etat.

If Israel was clever they would work with Hamas's internal opponents rather than throwing petrol on the flames of hatred.


Well when Israel made concessions in the past and relinquished some land (e.g Gaza) the attacks from the Palestinians increased...............the terrorists didn't lose power.

You want Israel to share power with the Palestinians who are led by Hamas -in that case it matters if they want to destroy Israel and kill innocent civilians if they're jewish ones.


I don't mean just relinquishing land, what i mean is they need to sit down with the likes of the PLO and PFLP to do business and say "look we want hamas out and know you want control over gaza, we will support this and as a measure of goodwill here is some arms to help you force them out. Once the job is done we will offer to withdraw all settlers/remove the walls".

If they worked on this basis it wouldnt be much longer before a secular gazan authority could be back behind the reigns and we could get into a position where an amicable solution is possible.


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13 Mar 2013, 4:32 pm

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If they worked on this basis it wouldnt be much longer before a secular gazan authority could be back behind the reigns and we could get into a position where an amicable solution is possible.


If being naive were an olympic event you would win the gold medal for sure.

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13 Mar 2013, 4:59 pm

ruveyn wrote:
thomas81 wrote:

If they worked on this basis it wouldnt be much longer before a secular gazan authority could be back behind the reigns and we could get into a position where an amicable solution is possible.


If being naive were an olympic event you would win the gold medal for sure.

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13 Mar 2013, 5:00 pm

thomas81 wrote:
daydreamer84 wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
The desire is meaningless without the means. If Israel reversed its current policy on its affairs with the Palestinians, it would weaken Hamas's support base and they could be removed by the gazans themselves either democratically or through an internal coup d'etat.

If Israel was clever they would work with Hamas's internal opponents rather than throwing petrol on the flames of hatred.


Well when Israel made concessions in the past and relinquished some land (e.g Gaza) the attacks from the Palestinians increased...............the terrorists didn't lose power.

You want Israel to share power with the Palestinians who are led by Hamas -in that case it matters if they want to destroy Israel and kill innocent civilians if they're jewish ones.


I don't mean just relinquishing land, what i mean is they need to sit down with the likes of the PLO and PFLP to do business and say "look we want hamas out and know you want control over gaza, we will support this and as a measure of goodwill here is some arms to help you force them out. Once the job is done we will offer to withdraw all settlers/remove the walls".

If they worked on this basis it wouldnt be much longer before a secular gazan authority could be back behind the reigns and we could get into a position where an amicable solution is possible.


The problem is that you are proposing that the Israelis hand over some guns to the Palestinians. Rightly or wrongly, the Israelis would no doubt expect to soon find the same guns pointed at themselves. The level of trust between the Israelis and any group of Palestinians is no where near where it would need to be for such a plan to be workable to the Israelis. And as long as things continue the way they are, that level of trust will never be there.



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14 Mar 2013, 11:20 am

thomas81 wrote:
daydreamer84 wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
The desire is meaningless without the means. If Israel reversed its current policy on its affairs with the Palestinians, it would weaken Hamas's support base and they could be removed by the gazans themselves either democratically or through an internal coup d'etat.

If Israel was clever they would work with Hamas's internal opponents rather than throwing petrol on the flames of hatred.


Well when Israel made concessions in the past and relinquished some land (e.g Gaza) the attacks from the Palestinians increased...............the terrorists didn't lose power.

You want Israel to share power with the Palestinians who are led by Hamas -in that case it matters if they want to destroy Israel and kill innocent civilians if they're jewish ones.


I don't mean just relinquishing land, what i mean is they need to sit down with the likes of the PLO and PFLP to do business and say "look we want hamas out and know you want control over gaza, we will support this and as a measure of goodwill here is some arms to help you force them out. Once the job is done we will offer to withdraw all settlers/remove the walls".

If they worked on this basis it wouldnt be much longer before a secular gazan authority could be back behind the reigns and we could get into a position where an amicable solution is possible.


And at the next election Hamas will win again and they need to do this all over again...



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14 Mar 2013, 11:25 am

trollcatman wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
daydreamer84 wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
The desire is meaningless without the means. If Israel reversed its current policy on its affairs with the Palestinians, it would weaken Hamas's support base and they could be removed by the gazans themselves either democratically or through an internal coup d'etat.

If Israel was clever they would work with Hamas's internal opponents rather than throwing petrol on the flames of hatred.


Well when Israel made concessions in the past and relinquished some land (e.g Gaza) the attacks from the Palestinians increased...............the terrorists didn't lose power.

You want Israel to share power with the Palestinians who are led by Hamas -in that case it matters if they want to destroy Israel and kill innocent civilians if they're jewish ones.


I don't mean just relinquishing land, what i mean is they need to sit down with the likes of the PLO and PFLP to do business and say "look we want hamas out and know you want control over gaza, we will support this and as a measure of goodwill here is some arms to help you force them out. Once the job is done we will offer to withdraw all settlers/remove the walls".

If they worked on this basis it wouldnt be much longer before a secular gazan authority could be back behind the reigns and we could get into a position where an amicable solution is possible.


And at the next election Hamas will win again and they need to do this all over again...


Not if they can be replaced, and their successors are allowed to win gains for the Palestinians. The reason previous Gazan authorities failed is the failure on both sides to find a working symbiosis.

There needs to be a carrot over stick approach. Israel has tried the stick, and it hasn't worked. Time to pick up the carrot instead.


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