half of america lives officially at poverty-level

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30 May 2013, 11:39 pm

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You know "poverty level" doesn't mean the same worldwide when the impoverished can:

eat McDonald's daily buy an XBOX and smoke

I can't afford to do any of that stuff. :hmph:


Nor can I. I luckily don't smoke, so that's not applicable to me. But I know I certainly can't afford an XBOX. Hell, the TV set my family and I are watching is a gift from our church.

nice church :thumleft:
I guess we're both poor then. :) I drive a 16 year old car that I inherited from my late mother. I live in a tin can out in the woods. I cut my own hair. i eat oatmeal and soup and salad 99% of the time. I never buy new clothes or new anything. I use old paper drapes I grabbed out of the trash at the hospital I used to work in, as curtains on my tin can. but I should be thankful that at least I have a roof over my head and a car and even that i manage to battle my weight. :)



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30 May 2013, 11:57 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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You know "poverty level" doesn't mean the same worldwide when the impoverished can:

eat McDonald's daily buy an XBOX and smoke

I can't afford to do any of that stuff. :hmph:


Nor can I. I luckily don't smoke, so that's not applicable to me. But I know I certainly can't afford an XBOX. Hell, the TV set my family and I are watching is a gift from our church.

nice church :thumleft:
I guess we're both poor then. :) I drive a 16 year old car that I inherited from my late mother. I live in a tin can out in the woods. I cut my own hair. i eat oatmeal and soup and salad 99% of the time. I never buy new clothes or new anything. I use old paper drapes I grabbed out of the trash at the hospital I used to work in, as curtains on my tin can. but I should be thankful that at least I have a roof over my head and a car and even that i manage to battle my weight. :)


I feel guilty now, as compared to you, my family and I might as live like kings. :oops:
But to be sure, we got our computer by means of a social program handing them out to families with autistic children in school. Like our TV (yes, I think my church is great!), a lot of stuff we have has been given to us because we are poor. I drive a 50 year old Plymouth Valiant I had bought off a friend 21 years ago, and which I'm so emotionally attached to, I'll probably never let it go. Thankfully, because my wife is on housing, and because she is on social security for a physical disability, as well as our daughter's disability for autism, we can afford cable and an occasional movie. We live in a low income apartment complex that's in a pretty safe neighborhood. But no XBOX's, Bluetooths, or any other pricey gadgets anywhere in our futures.

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31 May 2013, 1:31 am

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I feel guilty now, as compared to you, my family and I might as live like kings. :oops:

don't feel guilty, my friend Image
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But to be sure, we got our computer by means of a social program handing them out to families with autistic children in school. Like our TV (yes, I think my church is great!), a lot of stuff we have has been given to us because we are poor. I drive a 50 year old Plymouth Valiant I had bought off a friend 21 years ago, and which I'm so emotionally attached to, I'll probably never let it go. Thankfully, because my wife is on housing, and because she is on social security for a physical disability, as well as our daughter's disability for autism, we can afford cable and an occasional movie. We live in a low income apartment complex that's in a pretty safe neighborhood. But no XBOX's, Bluetooths, or any other pricey gadgets anywhere in our futures.

people like us should live closer together, I SO WISH we were neighbors! Image



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31 May 2013, 1:59 am

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I feel guilty now, as compared to you, my family and I might as live like kings. :oops:

don't feel guilty, my friend Image
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But to be sure, we got our computer by means of a social program handing them out to families with autistic children in school. Like our TV (yes, I think my church is great!), a lot of stuff we have has been given to us because we are poor. I drive a 50 year old Plymouth Valiant I had bought off a friend 21 years ago, and which I'm so emotionally attached to, I'll probably never let it go. Thankfully, because my wife is on housing, and because she is on social security for a physical disability, as well as our daughter's disability for autism, we can afford cable and an occasional movie. We live in a low income apartment complex that's in a pretty safe neighborhood. But no XBOX's, Bluetooths, or any other pricey gadgets anywhere in our futures.

people like us should live closer together, I SO WISH we were neighbors! Image


Well, if you're ever in the Spokane/Spokane Valley area, my family and I would be proud to have over as our guest. Or if we're ever in Shelton - money allowing - I would make an effort to locate you. 8)

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31 May 2013, 9:08 am

I now feel xtra guilty,my family has given me lots of nice things that other low income people don't have.I do drive an old 86 Pontiac 6000ste.They helped me buy it.The tablet I'm using right now is a gift,I guess I did hit the jackpot with my family.I wish everyone could have these things.I did buy my own tv,but I used my credit card.And I have a really good garden spot and I know how to forage in the woods.But sometimes beans and cornbread get kind of old.But I am thankful I have something to eat.Around here there is a term called "land poor",you've got acreage but no money.And I'll eat dirt before I cut my timber.


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31 May 2013, 10:49 am

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I now feel xtra guilty,my family has given me lots of nice things that other low income people don't have.I do drive an old 86 Pontiac 6000ste.They helped me buy it.The tablet I'm using right now is a gift,I guess I did hit the jackpot with my family.I wish everyone could have these things.I did buy my own tv,but I used my credit card.And I have a really good garden spot and I know how to forage in the woods.But sometimes beans and cornbread get kind of old.But I am thankful I have something to eat.Around here there is a term called "land poor",you've got acreage but no money.And I'll eat dirt before I cut my timber.


Come to think of it, all our furniture had been given to us, one time or another. Except for the computer chair in which I'm sitting in this very moment - that I rescued from the dumpster when someone apparently moving out just thoughtlessly threw away.

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31 May 2013, 10:54 am

Having something that another person does not have, does NOT mean you acquired it wrongfully.

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31 May 2013, 4:41 pm

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Having something that another person does not have, does NOT mean you acquired it wrongfully.

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Of course not. A bunch of stuff my family has was given to us out of charity.

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31 May 2013, 4:57 pm

The gambler ethic has replaced the work ethic. Those that create value, either manually or intellectually keep recieving less and less while those that produce nothing (Wall Street etc that created the current mess) get wealthier by betting on the productivity of others. That is why Wall Street is doing fantastic and the middle class is evaporating.
Actually,. Wall Street recieves its money thru embezzlement. Our money has been stolen thru corrupt politicians. To call them gamblers is actually too flattering.


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31 May 2013, 4:58 pm

the gilded age reincarnated.



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31 May 2013, 5:02 pm

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the gilded age reincarnated.


Now lets just see if organized labor, populists, and reformers rise up to fight the plutocrats as they had done in the first Gilded Age.

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31 May 2013, 5:14 pm

at least the communications infrastructure is far more facile than it was back in the day. flash mobs could not have [as readily] existed back then.



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31 May 2013, 5:19 pm

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at least the communications infrastructure is far more facile than it was back in the day. flash mobs could not have [as readily] existed back then.


To see a flash mob suddenly appear on Wall Street to protest corporate greed would be cool to see. 8)

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31 May 2013, 5:21 pm

why has it not happened more often?



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31 May 2013, 5:45 pm

I think it's absolutely hilarious, in a very dark way, how deluded some people are about this.

For the guy who talked about poor people smoking... People get addicted to thing. Poor people get addicted more. Nicotine is an anti-depressant, and I seriously doubt that someone working at McDonalds can support a Prozac subscription. It works, and up until recently, it was cheap. Yes, it's much more expensive now. Who's driving that? The upper-middle class and the rich. I have never met a poor person, even a non-smoking poor person, who really cared if someone lit up ten feet away. I've had rich people walk fifty to tell me that my second hand smoke is killing them. The wealthy vote to raise the cigarette tax, the poor, who are still addicts, end up paying.

As far as eating at McDonalds every day... the Dollar Menu is a lifeline to the poor. The food may be crap, but a dollar's a dollar. McDonalds is the cheapest place you can go. And there's those of us who can barely afford that.

I remember when I moved out on my own. There was three of us, one worked at a restaurant, me and the other worked at Walmart. It was a %$$&ty apartment in a %$&*ty part of a %$^&ty town (Our complex got raided almost weekly), but we could afford it, barely. $1200 a month. Many's the night we sat in the dark (Computers, TV, and Electricity bills are evil) passing around a single god%$&* cigarette because that was all we could afford to do. We ate ramen, $0.59 a cup at Big Lots, and whatever the one could swipe from his restaurant. We saved our money. If we had a good month, we would go to Pizza Hut, about the classiest place in town. Sure, not great, but again, we could afford it. Until the end of the year, when the rent went up.

That's how a poor person in America lives, my friend.



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31 May 2013, 5:54 pm

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I think it's absolutely hilarious, in a very dark way, how deluded some people are about this.

For the guy who talked about poor people smoking... People get addicted to thing. Poor people get addicted more. Nicotine is an anti-depressant, and I seriously doubt that someone working at McDonalds can support a Prozac subscription. It works, and up until recently, it was cheap. Yes, it's much more expensive now. Who's driving that? The upper-middle class and the rich. I have never met a poor person, even a non-smoking poor person, who really cared if someone lit up ten feet away. I've had rich people walk fifty to tell me that my second hand smoke is killing them. The wealthy vote to raise the cigarette tax, the poor, who are still addicts, end up paying.

As far as eating at McDonalds every day... the Dollar Menu is a lifeline to the poor. The food may be crap, but a dollar's a dollar. McDonalds is the cheapest place you can go. And there's those of us who can barely afford that.

I remember when I moved out on my own. There was three of us, one worked at a restaurant, me and the other worked at Walmart. It was a %$$&ty apartment in a %$&*ty part of a %$^&ty town (Our complex got raided almost weekly), but we could afford it, barely. $1200 a month. Many's the night we sat in the dark (Computers, TV, and Electricity bills are evil) passing around a single god%$&* cigarette because that was all we could afford to do. We ate ramen, $0.59 a cup at Big Lots, and whatever the one could swipe from his restaurant. We saved our money. If we had a good month, we would go to Pizza Hut, about the classiest place in town. Sure, not great, but again, we could afford it. Until the end of the year, when the rent went up.

That's how a poor person in America lives, my friend.


Half the people in America make less than the median wage. Isn't that awaful?

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