ElfMan wrote:
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One of my favorite bible stories by the way is where God tells Moses to go do something, and Moses basically says "But I can't do that, I have trouble with speech," and God tells him a way to deal with it. God doesn't say "Here, I'm going to make you normal," it's more like "This is who you are and this is how you're going to deal with it in the real world."
Yeah cool! I am not christian but I have appreciated Moses as a stutterer for a long time. I like the way you have put that.
I totally agree, just that I see where society has really gotten shear in regards to a lot of this. The more people can shirk personal accountability for how that kind of logic is upheld, the more easily people can just be read on the eugenic genetic face-value level and held in "their place" from birth to death practically (then again in our case thats much more social than financial in most cases but still...I imagine you see where I'm going; even as an agnostic I definitely see the positive side of what religion does for enforcing societal values in respect to humanity and choice and effort driven views of peoples esteem vs. animalistic 'alpha genetics make right'). Seems like if people don't have that spur of "Huh, maybe I'll go to hell if I'm an a**hole to other people", they usually won't choose to be their best selves because they won't hold their heads on straight enough to even see the monetary long-terms benefits over the short term let alone get pleasure out of the purely altruistic societal gains of that sort of behavior.
Its like that Occam's Razor rule - people will go for the simplest and easiest path for the most gain; religion and IMO much of the bottom line right-wing conservative values are designed to be a natural internal control in terms of guiding that type of societal dynamic from the roots (ie. like the ten commandments, regardless of whether your secular or religious you can see how they just save a lot of drama in peoples lives and are just good common-sense rules of thum in dealing with the world regardless). Then again that same smooth flow-through I have between christian philosophy and social common sense is the same force which causes me to have a hard time fully believing that the bible wasn't just the work of some driven philosophers who felt they could make the world a better place by inventing a god and telling the world that something of a universal sheriff was presiding over their fates one and all (which in most cases and for many people thats necessary - the idea of doing something purely for the betterment of society unforutunatly seems like a recondit idea for too many people in too many cases).
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