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The Tea Party is:
A Fascist/Nationalistic Organization 24%  24%  [ 9 ]
The Present Incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
A Bunch of Dangerous Crackpots 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
A Bunch of Misguided Idiots who Watch Fox News 34%  34%  [ 13 ]
Under the Control of Satan 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
A Bunch of Harmless Folks who Like to Drink Tea 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Under the Guidance of Jesus 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Elitist and Intellectual 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
I prefer Coffee or Cocoa 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 38

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29 Oct 2013, 7:04 pm

Truth is, because government and state give you services, specially if you are a privileged, wealthy dick. Then not paying taxes is closer to stealing than being 'forced' to pay taxes.


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29 Oct 2013, 10:16 pm

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So the Republicans standing up for themselves includes cutting government services people need?

People should have the right to produce in order to meet their needs. They should not have the right to be given what they need.


So those in need, who can't work, or can't find work, should just go and die? Conservatives constantly say we are a Christian nation. As I recall, a big part of the Christian ethic is loving your neighbor, and compassion for the poor.


And Americans are a giving people who wouldn't let their neighbors die. Helping people on their own accord is different than being robbed at gunpoint.


Nobody is seriously being robbed at gunpoint. The government helps the needy because the American people and their representatives have chosen to have the government with it's greater reach and resources help them. The way conservatives make it sound, some alien organism or something had descended from the stars to enact social programs. No, as a matter of fact, it was us all along.


What happens if you do not pay? They send men with guns to your house and imprison you. That's not charity, that's not compassion.


As payment for social programs is derived from taxation, and one can't pick and choose which taxes to pay and which not to, this hypothetical citizen would be guilty of tax evasion in general, which is why he or she would be sent to prison. The tax evader would be guilty of not only opting out of providing a social safety net, but also paying for national defense, fire and police protection, government research, intelligence, etc.


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30 Oct 2013, 7:25 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
So those in need, who can't work, or can't find work, should just go and die? Conservatives constantly say we are a Christian nation. As I recall, a big part of the Christian ethic is loving your neighbor, and compassion for the poor.

It's not logically sound to draw the conclusion that people should just go and die based on the statement that people should not have a right to be given what they need. If a person is unable to work, there are alternatives to "just go and die" in a state free of social contract. I don't have any sympathy for people who are unwilling (the "unable to find work" excuse doesn't cut it).

What conservatives and/or Christians say isn't relevant to my moral statement.



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30 Oct 2013, 7:31 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
Truth is, because government and state give you services, specially if you are a privileged, wealthy dick. Then not paying taxes is closer to stealing than being 'forced' to pay taxes.

The state doesn't "give" services. Government services are a forced economic transaction. You, or someone else, pays for them.



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30 Oct 2013, 7:41 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
As payment for social programs is derived from taxation, and one can't pick and choose which taxes to pay and which not to, this hypothetical citizen would be guilty of tax evasion in general, which is why he or she would be sent to prison. The tax evader would be guilty of not only opting out of providing a social safety net, but also paying for national defense, fire and police protection, government research, intelligence, etc.

Perhaps the problem is that we're not allowed to pick and choose where our taxes are spent.



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30 Oct 2013, 8:09 am

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What happens if you do not pay? They send men with guns to your house and imprison you. That's not charity, that's not compassion.


So, I get free food, housing and medical care. Plus an all-I-can-eat buffet of gay sex.



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30 Oct 2013, 11:17 am

adb wrote:
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As payment for social programs is derived from taxation, and one can't pick and choose which taxes to pay and which not to, this hypothetical citizen would be guilty of tax evasion in general, which is why he or she would be sent to prison. The tax evader would be guilty of not only opting out of providing a social safety net, but also paying for national defense, fire and police protection, government research, intelligence, etc.

Perhaps the problem is that we're not allowed to pick and choose where our taxes are spent.


Seriously, if that was the case, nothing would get funded. Would you be so happy to let tax payers to get away with refusing to pay for military interventions in the Middle East?


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30 Oct 2013, 12:27 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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What happens if you do not pay? They send men with guns to your house and imprison you. That's not charity, that's not compassion.


So, I get free food, housing and medical care. Plus an all-I-can-eat buffet of gay sex.

And if you are wealthy it's a cake walk.
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/display ... eSupport=1


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30 Oct 2013, 12:54 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
adb wrote:
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As payment for social programs is derived from taxation, and one can't pick and choose which taxes to pay and which not to, this hypothetical citizen would be guilty of tax evasion in general, which is why he or she would be sent to prison. The tax evader would be guilty of not only opting out of providing a social safety net, but also paying for national defense, fire and police protection, government research, intelligence, etc.

Perhaps the problem is that we're not allowed to pick and choose where our taxes are spent.


Seriously, if that was the case, nothing would get funded. Would you be so happy to let tax payers to get away with refusing to pay for military interventions in the Middle East?


You wouldn't?



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30 Oct 2013, 1:11 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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adb wrote:
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As payment for social programs is derived from taxation, and one can't pick and choose which taxes to pay and which not to, this hypothetical citizen would be guilty of tax evasion in general, which is why he or she would be sent to prison. The tax evader would be guilty of not only opting out of providing a social safety net, but also paying for national defense, fire and police protection, government research, intelligence, etc.

Perhaps the problem is that we're not allowed to pick and choose where our taxes are spent.


Seriously, if that was the case, nothing would get funded. Would you be so happy to let tax payers to get away with refusing to pay for military interventions in the Middle East?


You wouldn't?


As I said, if that was an option, nothing could possibly get done. That's why we don't get to, and shouldn't get to.


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30 Oct 2013, 1:53 pm

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Perhaps the problem is that we're not allowed to pick and choose where our taxes are spent.


Seriously, if that was the case, nothing would get funded.

Maybe that should tell us something.

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Would you be so happy to let tax payers to get away with refusing to pay for military interventions in the Middle East?

Yes, I would. I don't support military interventions in the Middle East.



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01 Nov 2013, 9:26 am

Jacoby wrote:
And Americans are a giving people who wouldn't let their neighbors die.


Utter nonsense. That's what social security, medicare and welfare are for.

Jacoby wrote:
Helping people on their own accord is different than being robbed at gunpoint.


If you don't want to pay taxes, then either move to an oil-rich country in the Persian Gulf, or take up a feral existence in a jungle somewhere. Taxes are a part of life. And have been since the dawn of civilization. Even subjects of the ancient Roman Empire were required to pay taxes.

And, here is a prime example of American charitableness:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-playe ... .html?vp=1

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....Roger Ross Williams, the director of the new documentary “God Loves Uganda,” told “Top Line” that American Evangelical missionaries are contributing to a raging culture war over homosexuality in Uganda, where just a few years ago a law was proposed that prescribes the death penalty for certain homosexual acts.

“All the Evangelicals I followed told me they feel like they've lost the culture war here in America as marriage equality has passed state by state, the recent Supreme Court rulings, but they are winning in the global South and especially in Africa and Uganda,” Williams said.

Williams’ documentary looks specifically at the prominent ministry in Uganda by the American Evangelical group known as the International House of Prayer (IHOP).

“They don't do any humanitarian work,” Williams said. “They don't build schools or hospitals or help people. … It's a numbers game, convert souls, and that's it.”

Ministries like the International House of Prayer, Williams’ said, are preying on a vulnerable population.

“Uganda is a very vulnerable population to the sort of prosperity gospel and that message,” he said. “They're poor, they're sick, and you come in and you say we're going to cure you, we're going to heal you. It works.”

And their Evangelical message, which teaches that homosexuality is a sin, is inadvertently contributing to religiously-fueled, and sometimes violent, intolerance against the LGBTI community in Uganda.

“For a lot of these young people, it is a time to have an adventure, but for the poor African listening to this, they think that’s how it should be,” said one Ugandan minister, who believes American Evangelical ministry is having negative effects on his country, in the film....



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01 Nov 2013, 10:58 am

Jacoby wrote:
And Americans are a giving people who wouldn't let their neighbors die.


By the by, you're denying basic Randian teachings with regard to altruism and charity. Blaspheme!

Even Miss Rand's American neighbors wouldn't take care of her in her old age, and wouldn't pay for her medical treatments. She had to sign up for Social Security and Medicare. Just like the vile hypocrite that she is. She wouldn't lift a finger to save another person's life (and neither would any of her Libertardian followers), but she certainly looks for charity where she can find it.

This is another point where the KKK differs from the teabaggers: Ayn Rand's Jewishness would have turned off those who maintain more traditional opinions concerning Jews. Hence, the KKKers aren't going to pretend to have any interest in Randian literature. Except maybe in the watered-down Paulian newsletters.



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01 Nov 2013, 11:06 pm

It's Kluxers,not KKKers. :lol: That's the proper term.


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03 Nov 2013, 10:05 am

http://newsone.com/1805245/ron-paul-was ... -invasion/

http://newsone.com/1758875/ron-pauls-wh ... nnections/

http://newsone.com/444922/opinion-ron-p ... premacist/



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03 Nov 2013, 5:23 pm

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http://newsone.com/1805245/ron-paul-was-implicated-in-attempted-white-supremacist-island-invasion/

http://newsone.com/1758875/ron-pauls-wh ... nnections/

http://newsone.com/444922/opinion-ron-p ... premacist/


I know that many of Paul's younger supporters are very anti-racist - so much so that they have been excluded from CPAC. I wonder how their inclusive values reconciles with their leader's racism, and his support from racists?


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