I don't like Ann Coultar.

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by the way, the republicans today are telling everyone to have more kids....not just blacks.

I was talking to someone, and got sent this link. I think it about sums things up.

According to Irving Kristol, the founder and "god-father" of Neoconservatism, there are three basic pillars of Neoconservatism[1]:

1. Economics: Cutting tax rates in order to stimulate steady, wide-spread economic growth and acceptance of the necessity of the risks inherent in that growth, such as budget deficits.
2. Domestic Affairs: Preferring strong government but not intrusive government, slight acceptance of the welfare state, adherence to social conservatism, and disapproval of counterculture.
3. Foreign Policy: Patriotism is a necessity, world government is a terrible idea, statesmen should have the ability to accurately distinguish friend from foe, protect national interest both at home and abroad, and the necessity of a strong military
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ok I'm a neocon

I had to go look it up, always figured it was some sort of insult or something that didn't fit me.

I didn't get the memo



I take that as a compliment from somebody with their head up their ass who can't see nothing.



It's the internet, not the floor of the US Congress, if you take screwing around on some forum serious, you have a serious problem.



Taking pot shoots at people is a saying, it has nothing to do with using real guns



I think she is trying to make a dollar or two and could care less who gets elected. She works in the political entertainment industry that sprang up in the last few year. She isn't doing anymore damage to the republican party than some of the nut jobs on the other side do to the democrap party.



If his job was to create a nation of winners and losers he sure did a good job. Prior to the coming of the devil of the federal reserve the nations prosperity used to be divided more equally.



yeah lets just skip the iimigration topic, it will make the demo dummies look like the morons they are



white people weren't covered by the equal rights act of 1965. So it is a black/white issue.
Ever stop and wonder why the blacks where burning down the cities in the late 60's ?
I'll clue you in,because they couldn't get jobs. The white people changed one rule and than changed another one to continue the discrimination. Suddenly people misteriously needed a high school diploma to get a job. The teachers union has taken full advantage of their sudden importance and grew real strong during the 70's & 80's.
Now to get a decent job people need the money to buy a college degree. The White man just keeps uppering the requirement so the black man don't qualify.

In the 60's factories started automating and the companies kept the white guys and laid off the black guys, used the excuse it took a high school education to push the button on the new fancy machine they bought to replace 20 men.They got a little pissed off.

we now have a 2 party system and they teamed up to have a party at the expense of the working class, on one side is big business and on the other side is big government and big labor has been destroyed by the actions of the democraps.
One side wants to steal our labor and the other side wants to steal our money if we manage to make any of it.
Sinse I'm not eligable for government handouts, it makes sense to side with the group that at least throws a few pennies my way and will cut me in on the action if I save some of the pennies and invest.
The government crime sydicate isn't open to everyone, only a select few get in on the action. They rob the rest of the people blind, you can throw all sorts of labels at the people who are paying for all the government waste you want, you will never get it until you start making some decent money and start forking over 50% or more to the government who just wastes most of it.

My income tax under clinton
28% federal income tax
15.3 % social security tax(self employed)
4.5 state income tax
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47.8% off the top of every dollar I made much over $30,000 a year, under that it was a real bargain, they only wanted 34.8%

Than there is sales taxes and property taxes and license and registration fee's, sin taxes and all the rest of the taxes they have dreamed up and others hidden in the cost of the goods all through production.

George Bush didn't create the mess, 40 years of a democrap congress did along with democrap presidents. When George Bush took over the country was in a total mess, stock market crash and millions of illegals already in the country and than 9-11. Ships from china lined up at the ports of LA & Long Beach waiting to unload. Everyone driving around in gas hog SUV's commuting 50 miles each way to their 4000 square foot McMansion. Bush didn't create the mess, the moron democraps did and he has done wonders keeping it from blowing up. The democraps are the ones that told people to not worry about saving for their old age, the government elderly welfare program will take care of them, so they lived high on the hog and now are feeding at the public trough.

I'm guessing most of you people are younger than me, seems to be the case at this forum, have fun trying to get ahead while getting taxed to death supporting a money pit called education and supporting the senior welfare bunch and all the government mooches that pretend to have jobs by creating them saying they are trying to help people

http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/edwardscapit ... VdWYys0NUE

It's funny as hell to hear grown people crying about nothing, the average 10 year old would just laugh at some little pot shot and go on with life like it never happened. The sniviling whining democraps are one big joke.

This guy is hilarious

Fox news is stupid, Alan Colmes is just there to make it look fair and balanced and Sean Hannity spews the beliefs of the owners of the news company.

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More like the pitifully bad jester.

Glenn Greenworld is a rank hypocrite.

Again, from Patterico's Pontification:

(source link)

I would never attempt to claim the "pureness" of the right, or the left. Mr. Greenwald's piece is yet other attempt to explain away conservatives by amateur psychiatry. Yes, of course, Mr. Greenwald, Mr. Average Joe Conservative spends his time worshiping at the hands the "glorious leader" George Bush. I suppose that would explain the unpopularity of much of Bush's domestic slate with the Republican base, or the fact that the Republicans in congress as a group have been far less under Bush have been far less united then the Democrats as a group under Clinton.



It is important to note there is no "Neo-con bible." I read Commentary Magazine, and the Weekly Standard, two places often cited as the guiding lights of the "neo-cons" but I don't agree with every word they published. Heck, there own writers disagree with each other sometimes.



I completely differ. Her comments will get more attention then, say Bill Maher's comments about Vice President Cheney. I may not be "fair," but that is the way it works. As for the "political entertainment industry," such a thing really does not exist as a formal structure, although it is fair to say Hollywood is heavily politicized (I mean it's not like you wonder which Republican the Hollywood crowd will like). Still, Ann Coulter was a columnist for National Review until she got fired, and then for (the admittedly pretty bad) Human Events. She was mostly syndicated like most everybody else. She appears on TV. Does she want to be a stand-up comedian? I don't understand.



Highly debatable. However before he came into office the country was on a terrible track economically. Inflation was going up and unemployment was going up. His policies, as well as the policies of the incoming Reagan administrations stifled the recession, and brought unprecedented growth. The average, and the median American would be far poorer, and well off today had Paul Volker never been Fed Chief.



See that's what I don't like. ... This is really weird. I am debating two sides at once. I don't think you would like my position on immigration, Johnny. I think President Bush is too "soft," but not as "hard" on the issue as Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter.



Well, the Civil Rights Act, which was renewed (to my disagreement) a couple of years ago I believe does cover minorities other then Blacks.



Yes, although it wasn't just blacks.



Utter nonsense. Thomas Sowell is a very good source on this.



Well, I agree that things got worse for inner city Blacks, although not in respect to discrimination. It got worse in respect to things like housing, crime, the logic of the way welfare programs were run, ect...



I agree with you there is a problem here. The modern college is far weaker and in some areas does not give you the knowledge in once did. However in technical and scientific fields this not so much the case.



Teachers unions are a serious problem. I strongly support school vouchers personally. I agree with FDR's comments that to allow government unions is to allow effectively turn over the government to blackmail. However, government unions aren't going away anytime soon.



The cost for a college education is outrageous, although the solution of having government pay for some or all of it is a mirage (colleges will merely start increasing costs more). I do not agree most colleges are intentionally trying to keep Blacks out of colleges and universities as most colleges are strong supporters of racial quotas (which I oppose because I believe they are counter-productive, and unethical). In Thomas Sowell's memoirs, he reported that the persons running these programs seem less interested in getting Blacks into colleges that they personally are likely to succeed at they people they feel are "victims." This means worthy students get skipped over and unworthy ones who are likely to fail get selected.



I believe there was cases of the Teamsters Union discriminating against blacks. Back in the '60s I am sure there was discrimination in factories although I can't think of any particular cases.



Most riots began after incidents such as the assassination of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., or some localized occurrence in which some local person had been "wronged," (sometimes violently) often by law enforcement. Polls taken at the time of most of these riots (which were during Lyndon Johnson's presidency) showed overwelming disapproval from the inner-city Black population to the riots (most of whom did not part part). Riots also broke out in areas like Los Angeles that were not made up primarily of Blacks.



I can assure you the two parties have not teamed up. In fact, within the two parties are more moderate members who will split their votes to varying degrees (my own Republican congress is one of them). It is somewhat embarrassing to admit this, but the government under Republican administration grew at a pace unmatched since LBJ in Bush's first term. The second term has seen (somewhat) a slack in spending. Bill Clinton, who faced an opposition congress for most of his Presidency (unlike Bush), had a much tighter budget (albeit largely with slashes to the military). Bush's justice department has also seen investigations into corporate scandals, and convictions of corporate heads. Some of these investigations had brought complaints from the conservative press as "which hunts."



Do the Republicans want to make you literally slaves to the corporate masters? I will admit that the right, seeing the free-market system as so obviously logical, often does not communicate well to millions of people that are really struggling along. That is a failing.

Taxation, regardless of whether it too high or too low or being used for the right purpose is not stealing is this country. We have an elected government. It passes the laws. Now, is the IRS not "nice enough?" Yes. Should we simplify the tax could? Yes. Should we be more fair with people who suddenly found themselves unable to pay, even multiple times? Yes.
The government crime sydicate isn't open to everyone, only a select few get in on the action. They rob the rest of the people blind, you can throw all sorts of labels at the people who are paying for all the government waste you want, you will never get it until you start making some decent money and start forking over 50% or more to the government who just wastes most of it.

My income tax under clinton
28% federal income tax
15.3 % social security tax(self employed)
4.5 state income tax
-------------------------------
47.8% off the top of every dollar I made much over $30,000 a year, under that it was a real bargain, they only wanted 34.8% Twisted Evil

Than there is sales taxes and property taxes and license and registration fee's, sin taxes and all the rest of the taxes they have dreamed up and others hidden in the cost of the goods all through production. [/quote]

The progressive tax system makes no sense. We should have a flat tax, or a consumption tax. But those aren't "fair" because rich people should get "punished," regardless if it hurts people who are middle and lower class and drives more people into poverty. Meh...

Please read Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell. if you think this is all "mean capitalistic-fascist lies." Free-market economic thinking is simple, yet complicated. It is also difficult to counter.


Last forty years:
President -- Congress
1963-69 Lyndon Johnson, Democrat -- House D Senate D
1969-74 Richard M. Nixon, Republican -- House D Senate D
1974-77 Gerald R. Ford, Republican -- House D Senate D
1977-81 Jimmy Carter, Democrat -- House D Senate D
1981-87 Ronald Reagan, Republican -- House D Senate R
1987-89 Ronald Reagan, Republican -- House D Senate D
1989-93 George H. W. Bush, Republican -- House D Senate D
1993-95 Bill Clinton, Democrat -- House D Senate D
1995-01 Bill Clinton, Democrat -- House R Senate R
2001 George W. Bush, Republican -- House R Senate R
2001-03 George W. Bush, Republican -- House R Senate D
2003-07 George W. Bush, Republican -- House R Senate R
2007- George W. Bush, Republican -- House D, Senate D



The economy was undergoing a correction. There was no stock market crash.



OK, you don't like this. Does it make the country unlivable? Really?



Yes, that was bad.



[sarcasm]International trade! How shocking! I opposed most favored nation status for China, but I don't see how we can reverse it without causing reverberating effects on the US economy when China decides to match our new tariffs/sanctions.



[sarcasm]Personal independence and demonstrations of financial security! How utterly horrible![/sarcasm]



For the Earth to literally blow up...I don't know how that would happen. Maybe a large planetoid like Mars would hit it, but then again "breaking apart" might be a better description of what would occur. Or are we "blowing up" the country? We would need to use our nuclear stockpiles, although it possible that the west coast would get blown apart should we get into a war with China over Taiwan. Then again maybe I am being too literally



Well, that's really literally true because if that was what they were saying Nancy Pelosi would have a popularity rating of like 15%. What the Democrats are saying is that George Bush plans to "gut" Social Security and they are "protecting it." The problem is that Social Security is going to bust the treasury in a few decades in something isn't done soon. This is really an issue that people should be able to get together on, but then again if you privatize social security then I suppose to some you are admitting giving victory to those they feel (correctly) who wish to roll back socialization across government.

Bush, by the way, handled his communications on the plan very poorly. He did not personalize well enough, and spoke in too much of a "corporate speak" way. This really turns off most people.



Very very likely. I am 23 and made an income last year of $0. I paid slightly more then that in state taxes.



I believe we owe it to those who are receiving benefits and approaching (I am not exactly sure how to phase it) to honor the obligations they have paid in their tax money. Any change over to a different system should be gradual, and it should be noted seniors are the most opposed to making a change in the system. Those who call for a more active government are not all bad. There are many good people with good intentions, even in government bureaucracies (which I concede to be a mess). There may be some areas where ultimately I will be proved wrong and them right (although I generally don't think this to be the case).

Johnnie you remind of Lou Dobbs more then Ann Coulter.

Regardless of disagreements, no offense is intended to anyone.

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you know you're already a neo-con in attitude....since you apparently were ignorant the formal notion of a movement, you should check out leo strauss's writings. he was one of the fathers of neoconservative thought. all of which is strongly influenced by machiavelli.

Strauss is NOT the one of the fathers on "neo-conservative" thought. From Norman Podhortoz, who coined the term years ago:



I should note that I do not personally agree with everything in this (2003) article (example: I don't consider TR a particular good President, although he was a great patriot and hero). Then again neo-cons aren't a generic group in which all the members have identical characteristics. It's much more complicated then that. Here Mr. Podhoretz describes a specific group, liberals who later became conservatives. But really he is describing his own views, and doubtlessly there are some former-liberally who vary somewhat from himself. Addition, the term "neo-conservative" (new conservative) has been applied to people who simply support the war (like George Bush or Dick Cheney), or Jewish conservatives (like Paul Wolfowitz), and people outside the United States (Tony Blair), leftists who happen to support the war (Christopher Hitchins), ect...

[sarcasm]But there is no doubt about one thing, neocons like those labeled racists, and sexists, and homophones, and islamophobes and just plane old bigots are BAD BAD PEOPLE.[/sarcasm]

Machiavelli's The Prince was never intended as an endorsement of Lorenzo de' Medici's style of governance. That the term Machiavellian is used to represent pure political power without the need for ethics is an irony, like the term Orwellian to describe a police state.

neo-conservatism follows plato's noble lie. at least for those practitioners on the inside. on the outside, there are just fools who fall for the noble lie.

except.....the isn't really noble with the current bunch. maybe initially it was back in the 70s and 80s...but it's not any more. it's just manipulation now.

You people sound like you have been effectively programmed by the schools & media
Here's an example

If they paid for all the government they voted for, there wouldn't be a huge debt
Reality is they stuck the younger people with massive debt and have totally sold out the young peoples future while programming them to accept it.

It's evident there is no way I'm going to type a few paragraphs and get anyone to think differently than they where taught to think by moron teachers & media morons who have bought into the big lie. More like paid off with big salaries so they would accept the big lie and won't teach the children it's all BS.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/featur ... .cook.html

That's on top of the social security & medicare bomb.

who is going to be paying when there is one old person sucking off the system for every one person working ? Only the people with jobs that pay enough to take money away from will pay, the working poor aren't going to be paying, so most it the burden will be taken out of the wallets of people making some money and considering most government employee's are union, they won't be paying and the cost of government will go even higher as they are able to keep their heads above water and the workers in private sector will get hosed even more.

How much can Justin the white collar worker in private industry demand before his job leaves the country ??

How are you people going to have anything with old people sucking you dry, government employee's sucking you dry, low paid blue collar type sucking off the system and the good jobs leaving the country to escape the legacy costs and bloated government costs ?

The baby boomers are total scum, they blew through the wealth built up by prior generations and refused to pay for the future benefits they voted themselves and left the young people all their bills.

I just found this link of old Ann Coulter comments. Oh boy. I wish I had run into these before. I think one of the problems when I read is that I tend to skip over words so I must have blew right over some of the stuff that later sent me over but when I looked but turned out to be right there staring me in the face.

If you actually read the comments, I think the most objectionable thing is the context. She is saying them in settings that are completely inappropriate. In some cases I could someone saying things listed on say, an HBO comedy special. But Ann just does not belong anywhere near more serious discussions.

are you that naive or dumb to think that context is the only issue with her statements?

"Congress could pass a law tomorrow requiring that all aliens from Arabic countries leave... We should require passports to fly domestically. Passports can be forged, but they can also be checked with the home country in case of any suspicious-looking swarthy males." – 9/20/01

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.” – 9/13/01


the only way context would save such statements is if she was being sarcastic. otherwise, it's just straight up bigotry and being an attention whoring b***h.

No. I think statements like that are wrong, and I disagree with them. . However I see comedians making exaggerated statements in their humor sometimes. I isn't my personal type of humor, but I was just mentioning it. I guess I put what I intended to say rather poorly.

oh okay, i get it now.

yeah...if she was on the stand-up circuit...maybe that'd be okay...but she's doing the political talking heads circuit and she never bills herself as a comedienne...even though her opinions are a joke.