God does nor exist nor do gods exist!

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I remember doing some research on various ecumenical councils of the Catholic church after hearing from various talking heads in the blog radio sphere as well as people I've met that there was reincarnation in Christianity but that it got wiped out by a Catholic church who didn't like it.

Evidence of course was horribly tenuous and it sounds like the closest thing that seemed to be hinted at was the popularity of something that might be reminiscent of higher self or holy guardian angel. At the same time I saw that the constant assassination plots, killing one's political and theological enemies, brand new waves of ambitious theological fighters getting excommunicated only to get brought back in as cardinals and bishops to excommunicate the people who excommunicated them and so on and so on. That really seems to be how purile the climate was.

Also to one of the above posters - one of the worst losses was the progressive burnings of the Library of Alexandria - burned several times once by the Romans, once by Pope Theophilus, and finished by the early waves of Islam. One of the worst aspects of this is that it took centuries to rebuild an understanding of the theosophy that the bible is composed of.

I think I'd have to second the opinions which would suggest that Ezra wrote the OT. It's a weave of Egyptian and Babylonian narratives, it is full of gematria employment which who knows whether that was Egyptian, Babylonian, or just popular in the region as a tool used to keep certain knowledge to certain kinds of people - they did this using the Canaanite alphabet, evolving it, apparently they were a polytheist culture (I'd suppose the seven Elohim were exactly what they were anywhere else - representatives of the 'seven planets' which got distilled down to the days of the week and mention of course in the book of Zachariah as the seven-eyed stone').

Not sure if I really want to go too much farther in slicing/dicing the bible because I'm also not particularly trying to sell it to anyone. It takes an authentic curiosity in the occult basis of the book to start diving off deeply into what might have been meant by putting the four cardinal signs of the zodiac out there in Ezekiel (one can find the Cherubim all over Babylonian art as well) or their re-employment in Revelations, constant zodiacal references every time you get twelve surrounding one, etc. etc..

Overall I'd have to call it part profound wisdom, part political and religious polemic, and the grave danger of taking it all as the inerrant word of God is just what's been said about the OT - if you do that you should kill every man, woman, and child in a city that doesn't worship at the feet of 'I AM' in the very particular context that a literalist mind would grasp.

There seems to be a bit of a psychosis in the direction that if every single letter is not the inerrant word of God that the book is utterly useless, which keeps many Catholics and Protestants declaring the book inscrutable. It goes somewhat with the other side as well if they miss not only great depths of mysticism in some areas but also a great subjective history where one can peer inside the psyche of what was really a snapshot in time and place. The previously mentioned attitudes seem to exist far less because the people involved are intellectually incapable of parsing these things out, just that they seem to feel the need to form diametrically imposed camps. I suppose that's inevitable when people start playing with human rights, hopefully with a few more decades of no 'end of the world' by seven year tribulation not only will this wind down but also the attempts of certain people to take seventy weeks of Daniel, leave 69 of them prior to Augustus Caesar, and then cut and past the last week in some unknown future - it's bible-bending to absurdity and the whole notion that a cosmic game of 'gotcha!' is being played with our eternal souls is like saying that Christ died on the cross and now is trying to figure out how many people can go to hell so he doesn't have to suffer their sins. For anyone who would or would have called God all loving it's a calumny of the worst order and, add to that, it's also a declaration that God stuttered on the seventh day when he declared his creation good (whatever 'a day' would even mean in that sense').

I agree. And great insight and analysis as both are required on the journey to 'TRUTH'.

And there it is. The moment of truth. See, I went and did exactly what you did, made some far-fetched claim based on nothing but self-supported logic, saying "science has proven it", doing everything you have done in this thread thus far, and you can't even refute it. Instead, you ignore it. Wow, way to fall into my trap.

LMAO! Wow, this is too perfect! I pulled the exact same thing you did, and yet you say "I" lost the argument. Seems it is YOU who lost the argument.

And there it is again: yet another admission of defeat Say what you will about "science disproving higher beings", the fact that not even Science agrees with itself says it all.

All I'm seeing is a miserable attempt to jump around my challenge and make yourself feel better by bashing others you believe are wrong. Yes, I said "believe" because you still have yet to prove it. "Look it up on NASA's site" is just about the same thing as "google it yourself". The burden of proof is on you to back up your claims, and you have still yet to do so!

So more to the point, I posted my challenge in a new thread here. You are more than welcome to take part in it, but I'm officially focusing on that thread only since you are turning this into a purebred flame war. If you wish to cite the proof I have repeatedly asked for, go ahead and do it in the new thread. Until then, your arguments are wholly invalid.

Shep out.

You lost this argument long ago my friend I listed sources you refused to look them up instead it got to you to the point that you had to make a thread in reaction to my thread and now not only I but many others are tearing apart your claim that there is a god, lets not forget that religions were made based on others so in a sense god is made up.

Otaku to be fair, you're listing Youtube videos and militant atheist websites, so I wouldn't say they are the most credible.

Seriously dude, just deal with the fact that some people believe in God and others like yourself don't. It's not a hard concept, it's called understanding and not judging or making fun of someone for that.

I believe God exists, but I don't believe He is worth the revere, worship, or humble submission. He screwed me up, along with many others and He doesn't care.

He is just as bad as Satan.

Im not making fun of the people just the entire concept of some magical man with a beard in the sky whos invisible because hes chickenshit and scared to show himself and not leaving any traces of his existence as well as skyfairies who also seem imaginary, its all made up its a religion and not reality a religion made up from other religions which died out.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCo6BVPGDh0[/youtube]

Literally none of those things pertain to what the vast majority of Christians believe. The Christian religion has nothing to do with a bearded sky daddy, fairies, or God being invisible. Projection my friend, projection.

If all people were created in his image then howcome he allowed people with disabilities to be born and some horribly deformed if that's the case then god has a deformed face.

Well let's get started then:

1. וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ, בְּצֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים בָּרָא אֹתוֹ: זָכָר וּנְקֵבָה, בָּרָא אֹתָם.

?ō·ṯām. bā·rā ū·nə·qê·ḇāh zā·ḵār ?ō·ṯōw; bā·rā ?ĕ·lō·hîm bə·ṣe·lem bə·ṣal·mōw,

Before it's translated into English grammar: them he created and female male them he created of God in the image in His own image.

Chapter 1, verse 27: And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Now let's look at three key words used here: elohim, beselem, and besalmow. Elohim was a descriptive name given for God which means "one who holds dominion". Beselem means "a representation of". Besalmow means "a representation of the aforementioned". Now what does this mean? What it means is that what we are a representation of is explicitly what elohim is a descriptor of. Because we as a species have dominion over our environment, that makes us moral actors.

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We all look different but yet are supposed to be gods image and yet were are descendants of apes and shared a common ancestor with them if this is the case then god is an ape if he exists that is which is highly unlikely.

Did you pay any attention at all to what I posted there? I just established that given proper knowledge of the Hebrew language it isn't even talking about how we look. Seriously dude, just admit you're a troll who isn't interested in actually discussing something, or try addressing the points that people make. No one buys your BS when you make posts like that, they can probably read, so that means that they can probably tell that I wasn't talking about how people look. You can probably read too, so you either look like you're pretty dishonest, like you barely even read the post, or like you have issues in reading comprehension, if you think that's what I was talking about.

I am a God

*gasp* *hides*

As Rev. Ann Davies would have said - I think like a God, I act like a God, for I am the offspring of a God.